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I just hope this doesn’t backfire like with the switch to paper bags to plastic bags back to paper to polyester bags that are actually worse for the environment back to plastic but now it’s Green™ plastic that doesn’t last for shit so we’re back to paper bags.
Can Colorado slide over and join you left coast states? We’ve been doing stuff like that too, but we’re surrounded by a sea of red.
Although, if the documentary sent back in time to us entitled Hunger Games is any indication, we’ll be the capital of the new nation, so maybe we’re fine.
Yall are absolutely honorary members of the best coast club
Y’all damn coastals with yer big fancy oceans. WE GOT OCEANS TOO WE JUST KEEP EM UNDERGROUND SO THEY DON’T SCARE MEEMAW.
Everybody knows meemaw’s ascared of the deep water. And when she gets agitated she gets to her whippin stick.
Genuinely LOL’d at your post.
But, to rebuff in some joking annoying science nerd way with a bummer fact:
YOU HAVE NO OCEANS ANYMORE. You used them all up growing corn for moonshine!
“So, large regions of the Ogallala are going to run out of water, particularly in the Southern High Plains – how are we going to embrace that and not just respond to the change?”
IS going to run out of water. Not HAS run out of water.
And we know. We been warning yall fucks for years that the aquifer ain’t filling back up and gotdangit they just keep paying us to grow corn on land that ain’t suited for growing beans. And everybody knows corn and sorghum ain’t no good for the soil neither.
Joking aside, we’ll deal with that impending apocalypse like we’ll deal with all the other ones. By pretending it isn’t happening.
Best coast? Sorry, but west is worst.
West coast is the best coast!!! We got coffee, nike and ice cube and you have?
An ocean that isn’t ice cold, an actual water cycle, Bell Labs, Broadway (and off-broadway,) and better food in nearly every category. And how is coffee a west coast thing? I’m not even gonna make claims about east coast coffee being better, because coffee is pretty flatly the same across the country (though it is slightly better at the coasts, just because of freshness and being near ports.)
Washington = Starbucks Oregon = Nike California = ice cube for some reason today
I’m really just fucking around I don’t care who’s from where unless it’s Idaho
Oh yeah, it doesnt matter at all. Unless they’re a Philistine (Philadelphia resident)
That’s dope. And factual.
When I was a kid I microwaved my leftover pizza on that shit
This is a good idea. Rather than trying to collect little penny fees here and there, just get rid of the stuff. We don’t need it, we have other options.
I would like to see most single use plastic grocery bags go with that. I think there need to be exceptions, for example produce bags or meat department bags. I haven’t seen a good replacement for those yet. But at the checkout, or for carry out food, just get rid of them.
They make reusable produce bags that work great! Usually a mesh cotton or a nylon (but reusable).
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Found the Styrofoam defender!
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Who gives a fuck what they said. You are the one trying to call common sense reform a performative action.
Styrofoam is already banned in Colorado, Maine, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, Vermont, and Virginia.
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I think that there are no all or nothing questions in something like this. I think the lions share of ocean plastic comes from third world countries where ‘dump it in the river’ is the most common form of trash disposal. I think that reducing harm is helpful, whether it’s a little or a lot. I would agree that tackling small issues with extremism while ignoring big ones is performative. For example, telling people in California to take 2 minute showers while ignoring the giant agricultural operations are wasting millions of gallons a day on inefficient air spray sprinkler systems.
Focusing on us, I think keeping plastic out of our landfills is generally a good thing. We use plastic for millions of things in our society. It is simply not feasible to completely switch off plastic, not anytime soon and probably not ever. But reducing or removing single use plastics does an awful lot.
So I say let’s replace single use plastic starting in places where it can be done easily and cheaply, where there are readily available cost effective alternatives. That is especially true for plastic film, like plastic bags, that can’t be recycled in a normal recycle bin.
Use paper cups instead of styrofoam. Put your take out food in aluminum foil trays or cardboard clamshells. Use paper bags for grocery check out.And for the vegetables and meats, I don’t suggest banning those because you would get a lot of pushback from both stores and consumers.
I go to aldis and put all my shit in a fruit or vegetable box. I don’t get more then one box because I am poor.
I think this is a better way to handle it than charging a fee for the styrofoam. If you want to get rid of something, get rid of it.
Seattle’s version of reducing plastic grocery bags was to tax or fee them. Maybe cuz Freedom, I dunno. So stores started charging a small amount per plastic bag. Eventually they also charged it for paper bags. After a few years bring-your-own-bag got popular and some stores dropped the paper and only offer the plastic, which they charge the fee for. The city created a new employee position to oversee the plastic bag fee collection program. So we got one more government employee and didn’t get rid of the plastic bags. Spectacular success, hooray environment!
It is a success though.
For me personally, I find 10¢ bags cheaper than spending $10 at Amazon or whatever, they’re more compact, and I do reuse them
The point is they didn’t get rid of the plastic, they just put a price on it. Kind of like letting people pay 50 cents to drive alone in the carpool lane that was put there to encourage carpooling and thereby reduce pollution.
You probably get most of the benefit by implementing the less severe variant of the policy - i.e. add a tax instead of banning it. I believe sales of plastic bags basically plummeted in Sweden after we introduced such a tax, and people who forget/otherwise don’t have their reusable bag with them can still get one in a pinch.
The bags people get in a pinch could be paper though, but they’re plastic. And here the newer plastic grocery bags have been beefed up for multi-use, so they’re much more sturdy (i.e. contain much more plastic). I’ve seen multiple comments that “nobody reuses them”. I don’t know about that, but since I have cloth bags and only get those in a pinch, I don’t need them for reuse so I use them as garbage bags just like I used to use the old flimsy ones that aren’t available anymore, and I’m sure a lot of people do the same - including people who don’t want to bother with the whole reuse thing or think it’s too woke or communist or whatever. The end result is even more plastic going into the landfill than before. I think it would be smarter to just switch to paper.
I dought a government could just out right ban something, because “freedom” like you say.
Though the action of taxing something is IMO preferred, especially for a government. It allows people, or corporation’s, to still attain or use a product, but they need to be willing to pay the costs. (ie. Freedom & Capitalism)
The only thing i would change is the amount of tax. Paying a few cents for a plastic bag as a example is still “cheeper” in a one time cost for a consumer, then buying a reusable bag or paper bag. And that plastic material is still cheep enough for manufacturer to buy, create the bag, and sell it at a profit.
Tax for polluting materials should be equivalent to both the “true cost” and the “external costs”, such as environmental costs and public health costs. These are a little harder to quantify but should be accounted for.
This means if a company wants to use plastic or some other material for bottled water it needs to pay the full costs of said material or choose to use something “cheeper” like glass (after accounting for the tax on plastics).
This would work similar to how counties enact tariffs on imported goods. And yea it would probably mean items would become more expensive as plastic is pretty light compared to glass meaning higher fuel/transportation costs.
I doubt a government could just out right ban something
Styrofoam food containers are now banned in Oregon.
“In an effort to encourage alternatives to Styrofoam, the Oregon Legislature passed a separate bill in 2023 to allow restaurant customers to bring their own reusable containers for takeout or leftovers.”
Amazing how that isn’t just common practice around the world and that there are laws that actually prevent it.
Probably for food safety reasons, right? When I worked a fast food job I was told never take anything from the customer because who knows how well it was cleaned, what’s been in it, etc.
Most places have customers put their own leftovers in boxes so this isn’t a problem.
Reminds me of a friend’s story who worked at a construction market. An old lady wanted to return a toilet brush - used of course. Her reason was that “it’s not dishwasher-safe”. I don’t want to touch this lady’s tupperware, neither do I want a worker, a table or a spoon at a takeout restaurant to touch it. Tbh I want a saftey distance for all food related businesses - and myself - of at least 2m all the time to anything which has been in that dishwasher.
It’s possible she intended to use it for something else, such as scrapping food from dishes (sounds like a bad idea, but at least it’s safe hygiene-wise)
They’re about the right size and shape for some bottles
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When I had to work in person like a bitch I would bring my own metal spork to Chipotle for lunch.
Won’t they just replace it with tougher plastic that takes even longer to break down?
I think I’d rather have Styrofoam pollution. It’s almost totally air vs. a cup that’s solid plastic, less material in total. Shove some in a pickle jar with unleaded. I can jam the boxing from a 55" TV in a single, small jar. (And now you have napalm! Best campfire starter ever, especially dried into chunks.)
And of the trash I pick out of the woods and waterways, Styrofoam seems to break down faster. Yes, I know it doesn’t truly degrade, just gets smaller, but the same is true of any plastic.
A solid plastic cup is at least reusable. Styrofoam cups are always single use. Breaking down faster is what makes them worse.
All “break down” means here is to turn into extremely small micro / nano particles. With hard plastic the damage you’re doing to the environment is more constrained to one piece which you can scoop up if you want. It’s way worse if it’s turned into dust and distributed in rain water, ocean water, the veggies you eat, etc.
