This comment thread is on fire, there are interesting discussions going on but most of it is getting to be to vitriolic for my tastes.
Locking this shit down. We’re here for the memes… Not whatever the fuck is going on down here.
For those here for the drama, scroll back up. There is no salvation here!
You have been banned from lemmygrad.ml
wear it as a badge of honour
Lol we’ve already defederated them before their shitty ideology ever gotten a chance to infect our servers
Huh, I might join your instance
The flag you use in your profile picture has been used by that ideology many times. Thomas Sankara in Burkina Faso or the Sandinista revolution in Nicaragua spring to mind.
Do you mean the red/black in the profile picture? Lol that’s supposed to be an anarchist symbol. I can’t control what authoritarians do with an anarchist symbol 🤷♂️
I mean like… am I supposed to create a new symbol every time someone steals it?
Edit: Also: wtf? I googled the country and they use Red/Green. I can’t find a source saying they used Red/Black
It’s the ancom flag and has been used to represent the hand in hand coalition of anarchist and communist forces many many times. You’d enjoy learning about the Sandinistas in Nicaragua they had a cool thing going on, got fucked by the americans though. The CNT also used it in revolutionary Spain which was again the coalition of ML and anarchists.
None of these are “stealing it”. They are anarchists and communists working together.
Anarcho-Communists are supposed to be different from Marxist-Leninists. If there were 2 factions of these ideologies that formed a coalition, then they are no “Anarcho-Communists”, just MLs cosplaying as AnComs.
I mean… how can someone call themselves an Anarcho-Communist and support a dictatorship? That’s some crazy doublethink right there.
Can you give me an example of the ancom flag being raised by revolutionaries that hasn’t involved a coalition between anarchists and communists? I don’t think there’s a single instance of it historically but I’d be really interested in seeing an example if one exists.
When the group is only made up of anarchists, the black flag is raised. The entire symbolic point of the red and black flag is the coalition of the two.
Calling the Spanish revolutionaries “MLs cosplaying as ancoms” is absurd historical revisionism, and really honestly offensive to everyone that fought and lost to the fascists.
Damn dude. What am I gonna do now?
It’s facinating to see Lemmy go wild, kind of sad how many seem to support dictators with concentration camps and similar shit but also cool how many downvote them!
The only state with concentration camps in the real world is the USA and its colony in Palestine.
USA is absolutely a huge hypocrite. But that doesn’t mean other countries are justified for doing the same
I don’t know how it’s hard to comprehend that you can just dislike both
Yeah why should we be fans of any evil governments
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The USA is bad so everyone can be, right? Cause that’s your fucking logic
And China. And North Korea. And Russia. And Syria.
So, I follow the Texas Tribune, and we get a story or two every week about heat waves in Texas prisons killing another dozen people while the state legislature refuses to fund air condition to get temperatures under 90 degrees inside cells. We also get the periodic story about migrant detention camps on the border with agents caught doing human trafficking, physical and sexual abuse up to and including outright torture, and the horrific death of small children. Finally, there’s the annual tradition of investigating Texas CPS or Texas Juvenile detention officials for a new raft of allegations involving agents trading nude pictures of children for narcotics or cash.
Every day a new horror in the Lone Star State, and we just kinda shrug and insist this is how a liberal democracy with a well-educated electorate and professional political institutions are supposed to behave.
Meanwhile, when Keonmi Park does another interview with Joe Rogan, we just eat that shit up with a spoon.
Western Internet Culture is a real mindfuck.
You’re gonna need reprogramming after reading all these replies!
Number 5. Bing Chilling!
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I wanna see a mullet as an option. Communism in the front, freedom in the back.
Party in the front. Party in the back.
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Yo 6 give his cranium back
6 is the only one oriented properly. Too easy.
6 please
Yo so lemmy.world isn’t run by tankies? If it is could y’all just ban me now so I don’t invest too much in the instance pls? I got kind of sick of the constant cycle of disappointment seeing how many supposedly leftist subs were taken over and ruined by them on reddit.
That’s good to hear, thanks.
Welcome, comrade
What’s a tankie
Do you really not know or are you pretending not to know because you want to be able to claim it’s a meaningless term?
Also there’s already an explanation in this thread.
I’m sorry, I’m being extra lazy today. I didn’t know, I’ll delete the comment :3
Okay, sorry, it’s just often tankies will say “what is a tankie?” because of the reasons I mentioned. Case in point, look at the person saying “what the fuck is a tankie” then immediately mocking the person who answered them.
I’m sorry for my snark, I slept poorly and should probably not be interacting with people rn.
Edit: oh, looks like that thread was nuked so I was wrong about the question already being answered lol. I owe you even more apologies ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Basically a tankie is someone that wants to be a socialist or a communist but thinks that means supporting the USSR or Maoist China, which are self-admittedly state capitalist.
The term originally comes from people who supported the USSR rolling tanks into Hungary to crush their rebellion. Lately such people have supported Russia’s invasion of Ukraine on the basis that anything anti-US interests is somehow socialist, despite modern Russia just being a nakedly hypercapitalist/fascist dystopia, and also despite the expansionist invasion just being like super obviously evil.
That’s super informative, so most people are just ignoringly saying that communism pertains to USSR or Maoist China when they were actually capitalist states? Is this a recent development?
I don’t know anything tbh but Karl Marx seemed pretty commie so idk what happened to change it.
Yes. It seems to be a propaganda echo chamber they’ve placed themselves in where they wholesale distrust any western/European media and 100% trust all Chinese/Russian state media. They full on defend Russia and China as a core part of their political ideology.
Honestly I’ve never seen a tankie in the wild. Maybe just luck
Don’t worry. I asked what a tankie was on my first day on lemmy. I learned, sure enough, I learned.
Tankie is to the Left of me.
Russian Troll is to the Right of me.
Here I am, in the Radical Center with you.
Tankies are not lefists. Don’t let them fool you. They are statists who are nationalistic and will support fascistic ideology. The only thing they believe is America Bad and therefore anything that hates America is good. Brain dead
Yeah it’s pretty dead brained. Obviously America has problems and I’ll be the first one to point out it’s flaws. I do my best to learn about them and be aware of them.
That doesn’t mean that China gets to genocide anyone they don’t like.
Tankies are not lefists.
The only folks I ever see accused of being tankies are to the left of the folks claiming they are tankies. Sometimes that means you’re talking to Michael Moore. Sometimes that means you’re talking to Pete Buttigieg. Sometimes that means you’re talking to Mitt Romney. But its always a guy to your left.
The only thing they believe is America Bad
The dirty little secret about American politics is that everyone thinks America Bad. Texas conservatives hate California. New York liberals hate Florida. Half of Michigan hates the other half. When the US gets hit by a hurricane, its either because the state at ground zero is too Christian or too Libertarian or too Gay, take your pick.
If hating America is all it takes to be a Tankie…
It’s also the fascism they support. They are all okay with “communist” China and Russia and I have met too many tankies who unironically support North Korea. Such a joke.
Tankies just use leftist populism as a facade, like how the Nazis did, but deep down their values don’t align with actual communists and anarchists.
They are all okay with “communist” China and Russia
I’ll spot you China, since we get a “DAE think Chinese President looks Yellow?!” posts daily. But then we’re just describing Tankies as people who are tired of the elementary school tier racism with a Disney fetish.
Russian Communism, such that it was, got dismantled way back in the 90s. Outside the handful of terminally online grifters that branded themselves MAGA-Communists or whatever, who is seriously conflating the United Russia Party leadership with your Allendes or Castros or Mandelas?
Tankies just use leftist populism as a facade
At this point, I’m going to need to see some names. Who are these actual tankies? Can you point to one?
Cause I’m beginning to think you’re describing Tucker Carlson.
Tankies love authority and are happy to accept facist ideologies, I think they are in the protest part of society that switches between left and right whenever its convinient for them! (We have seen that phenomena in Europe a lot with conspiracy theorists in general)
Communist here, don’t like fascism. (If we did, why wouldn’t we all just go to the fascist instances?)
My acceptance of needing to have a degree of “dictatorship” is begrudgingly and only as much as it’s necessary for the US dictatorship not to collapse the country for its
interestsMONEY!
There are far more people foaming at the mouth about tankies – like a someone out of the 50s screaming about communists – than actual tankies.
There are a few threads I’ve seen happen – and instigated – where I was overwhelmingly downvoted by tankies yelling at me about “anglo/western fascism” and denying the uighur genocide. They defend the Chinese government with a fervor that easily marks them as tankies. It’s a real problem.
I’ve seen my fair share of tankies on this platform, it’s a very real problem.
Not really a problem, this is what we have to deal with if we want an open internet
What the fuck are “tankies”?
Dumbasses who unironically defend Stalin and Mao. Left authoritarians basically
Can’t exist on same server as people with different ideology reeeee
See, here’s one of them
They’re like an infestation. Quick get the roach spray!
More like american 80s action movies since traficked and unoficially dubed version of those where all the rage back at the ussr which claimed it hated american culture so much.
This is the weird thing I notice about lemmy so far. It’s even more of an echo chamber than reddit
It’s more interesting to see different viewpoints, I’ll probably be called conservative just for saying this
You sound like a conservative. Wonder why?
People that see Mao and Lenin and somehow think authoritarian dictatorships are democratic utopias.
And why would anyone care about Albert Einstein’s view on Lenin? An obvious fallacious appeal to authority, and not even a very smart one.
That’s if this is even true.
An obvious fallacious appeal to authority
Applying logic and reason to a post about a President’s silly haircuts.
Einstein is a jewish that lived through the Russian revolution and lived in Germany during the rise of Hitler before his escape to the US. As far as period accounts he’s as good as you’re gonna get, and I don’t know about you but I don’t think we’re going to find a more intelligent person alive during that period but if you want to give examples that aren’t nazis or people that said nice things about nazis I’m certainly open to them.
And he was an extremely active leftist politically during the period. You should read his essay, Why Socialism? It’s a good introductory piece for people.
Also something of a smart man.
Page 14 of the 260 page FBI file on him states the following:
Not even Stalin himself is affiliated with so many anarcho-communist international groups to promote this “preliminary condition” of world revolution and ultimate anarchy, as Albert Einstein.
Those files are a fun read, do recommend them. Available on the FBI vault here.
So…yeah, a naked appeal to authority. Einstein was nigh-unmatchable in his field, but that doesn’t mean his intelligence was applicable to every other field. In fact, one of the worst things you can do is consider an expert in one field an automatic ‘authority’ in others.
The same people shitting on Einstein right now are also the same people that treat media as a political authority. I can’t take it seriously at all.
Name a better authority that was alive in the period who I won’t be able to show worshipped the nazis at some point.
Imagine when someone points out you’re being illogical by using an appeal to authority and you respond by… doubling down on an appeal to authority. That’s some Marx-tier dialectical thinking there, comrade
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“Being illogical is when you consider one of history’s most important users of logic a person that should probably be listened to.”
Comrade, I appreciate your willingness to engage, but we’re materialists, not followers of the Great Man theory.
While there are many commendable actions Einstein took as a political activist, I imagine you’re not going to defend this xenophobia.
It’s fine if you included the Einstein quote in there as a note to end on, but it shouldn’t be your argument, since honestly, Einstein’s political views shouldn’t mean more solely on the basis of breakthroughs in physics (despite what Einstein claims). I would instead have frame challenged their comment to point out that the US claims to be such a “democratic utopia” but is definitely an “authoritarian dictatorship” itself. Maybe follow up with a quote about how any of the countries that didn’t do something succumbed to the US’ anticommunist efforts
I imagine you’re not going to defend this xenophobia.
I don’t see what relevance any of that has. You guys from lemmygrad need to learn from hexbear and learn when not to be self-wreckers when dealing with libs, all this does is function as support for the libs in this thread, of course nobody supports the sinophobic shit, find me a comrade that wasn’t fucking weird about asians at the time - good luck. That doesn’t stop us using them wherever valid.
It’s fine if you included the Einstein quote in there as a note to end on, but it shouldn’t be your argument, since honestly, Einstein’s political views shouldn’t mean more solely on the basis of breakthroughs in physics (despite what Einstein claims).
“Shouldn’t mean more” than what? The shmucks here commenting with their vast amount of knowledge about socialism gained from reddit comment sections? Yes it absolutely should mean more.
They’re everywhere. EVERYWHERE I TELL YOU. Even on the largest search engine known to man.
There are dozens of us!
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I heard that they arent. Those be just the .ml ones. Its confusing since lemmy.ml and lemmy.world are presented as the main ones.
lemmy.world isn’t run by tankies?
This instance is not communist-run.
Wonder if any popular one is
He’s always Xinnie the Pooh to me
Can we give him the Mao hair with the Poo bear ears?
Stupid god damn tankies show up every time for these threads
Stupid god damn libs complain about tankies every time for these threads
That’s rich coming from a tankie; you guys spend more time hating on liberals on your own instance than the fascists do on theirs
Are you talking about Lemmygrad’s Shit Reactionaries Say community?
I’m talking about the entire instance
Believe it or not, it’s more like we don’t like the bourgeoisie (and that includes all US politicians if you haven’t noticed)
Oh I believe it, “libs” and “bourgeoisie” are thrown around at just about everyone you don’t like on there
Inb4 lemmygrad brigades this thread
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Where are the Sailor Moon twintails?
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