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Firstly, public lies spread with the intention to mislead the public should be a criminal offence.
Secondly, politicians should be personally liable for costs/losses if they either made unlawful decisions which caused costs/losses or knowingly decided to cause costs/losses, unless the decision was linked to national security.
Thirdly, which leading politician has enough balls to say it out loud that the UK must rejoin as soon as possible?
Thirdly, which leading politician has enough balls to say it out loud that the UK must rejoin as soon as possible?
The Lib Dems and the Greens and the SNP. But we were too busy “never trusting the Lib Dems” because they made us pay for our university education and magic Grandpa was kinda exciting around that time.
So instead of voting in a stronger pro EU opposition that could have actually opposed this in parliament, we elected a bunch of far left idealogues that wanted to leave as much as right wingers.
C’est la vie 🤗.
Oi! That looks a lot like French, sunshine!
You keep that up, people might think you’re one of those remoaners.
Lo siento
You calling Kier Starmer a “far left ideologue”? I wish he had that much conviction.
I think the truth is a bit more boring. FPTP hugely favours the 2 established parties and, whilst their foundations are certainly eroding, it’ll take something seismic to actually bring a third party into power.
Labour seemingly want to be all things to all people. That’s all you need to explain the brexit doublethink IMO. I really want to believe they’d be popular with a more assertive stance that brexit, and the preceding decade of
looting state assetsausterity were terrible mistakes. However, the growing popularity of Reform and the tories’ ugly swing to the right make me scepticalYou calling Kier Starmer a “far left ideologue”? I wish he had that much conviction.
😆 Hahaha. Not everyone in that Labour era, no. But a large majority of them.
I think the truth is a bit more boring. FPTP hugely favours the 2 established parties and, whilst their foundations are certainly eroding, it’ll take something seismic to actually bring a third party into power
I agree with you. But also… we always say this. _There’s nothing we can do because FPTP, oh well". Surely leaving the European Union was seismic enough to get us off our arses and vote for a third option? But apparently not. What else is seismic enough? Climate change? Nah more Labour Tory please. Economic austerity? Nope not interested yet.
As much as I hate FPTP at some point we have to admit that the majority of people don’t hate it (enough) or give a shit (enough) to change anything. We want this life.
As much as I hate FPTP at some point we have to admit that the majority of people don’t hate it (enough) or give a shit (enough) to change anything. We want this life.
We wanted Brexit (well 52% of people who voted in 2016 anyway…). And a lot of labour’s success is down to reform splitting the right-wing vote (nice to see it the other way around for a change). Labour only actually got ~34% of the popular vote. So whilst I don’t know if we chose this exactly, I agree that there is too much apathy towards the status quo.
I find myself constantly thinking about American vox pops, where a surprising number of people say they would vote for Trump or Bernie. A lot of people just want somebody that’ll shake things up. Farage is that for many people, but our left-wing options just aren’t seen that way.
with just 12 per cent believing it has gone well, according to a YouGov poll in October.
I love that 12% of people signed on just to let everyone know Brexit went super great. Assuming they didn’t hit the wrong button and that they’re not suffering some sort of episode, they’d have to do that with the full knowledge that it’s been an unmitigated disaster. That’s team spirit. Very sad, of course, but there it is.
But but the gullible rubes thought they were just going to stick it to brown people!
EFTA was just sitting there, would have been simple and avoided any economic hit.
