https://lemmy.world/comment/14391879

Please no brigading, I’m only linking for context.

Criticising the OP for being spiteful by saying “Served them right!” in the post when lack of customers resulted in menu changes, which still failed to save the restaurant is hardly “excusing carnism” or being a “fake vegan” in my opinion.

“fake vegan” isn’t in the rules anywhere either? Odd really.

Failing to celebrate the closure of a (formerly) vegan restaurant due to lack of customers hardly sounds like ‘carnist rhetoric’ (rule 5) to me but what do I know.

  • db0M
    16•2 days ago

    Note. Keep your comments here on topic about whether the mods are PTB or not. Generic vegan-bashing won’t be tolerated

  • @[email protected]English
    10•2 days ago

    I got banned from the vegan home cooks community with the reason being “troll defense”.

    Made no comments, just liked having it in my feed for recipe ideas.

  • @[email protected]
    15•2 days ago

    The same mod banned me and deleted my comment where I called her out for equating eating meat with domestic violence. She clearly gets off on the smell of her own farts.

  • @[email protected]English
    19•2 days ago

    Join plantbased and be done with it. I don’t want to even call myself vegan because of these cringe lords

  • @atrielienzEnglish
    15•2 days ago

    I am not vegan but do occasionally like to see what plant based products are available. I blocked c/vegan specifically because it seems like the whole community is one short step away from eating their own and I don’t want to get involved with any of that.

    • nocturne
      2•2 days ago

      I am an ovo-lacto vegetarian and I avoid most vegan spaces.

      • @atrielienzEnglish
        5•2 days ago

        I can understand being on guard because so many people make fun of or try to troll vegans. I can’t understand being openly hostile towards each other to the point that mods have to lock whole threads etc.

    • @CypherOP
      1•2 days ago

      Apologies I missed that one.

      I guess Im more asking people’s verdict on my particular ban

      • @[email protected]
        9•2 days ago

        It’s indeed exactly the same comments. I was banned along with you and posted it back then. In the other thread also Sunshine (the mod) responded but doubled down on her decision.

        I find it very unfortunate that [email protected] apparantly doesn’t allow for debates but I guess that’s in the end the decision of the mods.

      • sunzu2
        1•2 days ago

        While I disagree with corpo speak, bans like that don’t make much sense.

        Just block the place and move on. That’s the fedi way.

        • @CypherOP
          2•2 days ago

          I didn’t feel the need to check if my ban had already been discussed so didn’t know about that post until after posting.

    • @CypherOP
      4•2 days ago

      I agree, and my criticism wasn’t about anyone’s being vegan or not, just their shitty attitude towards people losing a restaurant and jobs.

      I do hope people don’t wade into a pro/anti vegan slugfest. I would rather see if people think the rules were fairly enforced.

      • southsamurai
        4•2 days ago

        Man, I troll that kind of vegan, and those mods are the kind that swallow the bait with eagerness.

        There’s actually a really great plantbased C/ now that isn’t run by the zealots, so there’s friendly convos going on. It’s so nice to see.

        That being said, within their idea of what that community is supposed to be, they do treat everyone equally badly when they voice even the tiniest hint of anything other than fervor. So, it’s relatively fair, in that they don’t play favorites, and apply mod actions consistently. They may use shitty rules that aren’t clearly spelled out, but they apply them in a predictable way.

        It’s why, even though I would cackle at them if they rose to bait, I don’t ever feel comfortable calling it power tripping. It’s crap, it makes the community suck, and it makes it difficult on any vegan that isn’t a zealot. But that’s a different issue to me.

        Now, there’s mods of other vegan communities that are power tripping as hell. Well, one, but I ain’t going into drama that old beyond using it as how I draw that line. A different mod in a different vegan community decided to issue bans to all his communities because of someone (me) not agreeing with him in the way he wanted to see it. That’s power tripping.

        Someone being a crap mod and running a community poorly isn’t the same thing, if you get where I’m coming from.

        Crap mods can end up being fair, simply by virtue of being crappy to everyone lol.

    • @FelixCress
      -3•2 days ago

      Nobody is forcing you to read it.

  • @[email protected]
    2•2 days ago

    So, to be clear, the restaurant was formally vegan. Then, due to financial struggles, added carnist options to the menu and alienated a lot of their regular vegan cuatomers resulting in them shutting down.

    This was old news.

    Also, I can understand the mods being spiteful about things like this. It sends a message that if you’re a vegan restaurant and you add carnist options then you will lose customers, not gain them. Valid point if you’re primary concern is animal welfare. I’m vegan and I don’t want to give money to any business that profiteers of animal cruelty.

    That said, I think the mod should just say that rather than banning you. Though perhaps those communities get brigaded with a lot of anti-vegan bad-faith bullshit arguments and the mods are a bit quick to the ban hammer as a result.

    • sunzu2
      0•2 days ago

      There is a several hundred comments thread about that sub on here…