I don’t fully understand this.
While having one big instance is not ideal, isn’t the idea that it should be easy to move once and if the big instance becomes draconian?
I thought the whole point of the fediverse was not to get locked into a walled garden and be able to decentralize as needed, ending up with a few big players is inevitable, no?
The issue here is that the community was doing well on one instance, then the mods decided to move without asking the community.
Details on [email protected]
Okay yeah that’s a problem.
Mods have been weird lately, my comment got removed for using the R word, not retardant.
retarder?
Instance wars are so fucking pathetic
Having so many communities concentrated in one instance is a problem
Why?
Because then allowing flat-earthers affect all the communities: https://lemmy.world/post/24135976
Also huge delay with some instances
Having an architecture that locks communities to an instance is a problem. They should be distributed across the network with no notion of a home instance.
That’s just mastodon tags
How would moderation work then?
Moderation is also just an event in the protocol, just like votes or comments. Your instance would simply have to aggregate all those events, just like the current “home instances” do for their communities.
Probably better than whatever batshit moderation happens right now on the tankie instances
It would be different. The end-user would have to moderate their feeds, they’d have to find the same community provided by platform hosts who align with the users moderation values, or be ok with hiding content themselves.
The end-user would have to moderate their feeds
Ah yes, I love a feed where I have to view and delete the alt-right trolls and CSAM myself.
PieFed (the non-tankie Lemmy alternative written in Python rather than Rust) allows for that. Atm it’s fairly primitive unless you make your own instance but ultimately it democratizes the moderation process to allow the end user what they want to see or not. Like instead of “remove” or “allow” content, it can automatically be “collapsed” with an option to uncollapse it whenever someone chooses. And/or labels can be placed next to usernames - like “<2 week old account” or “has 10x more downvotes than upvotes” - except it is actually icons that are used rather than such long phrases. You can put custom icons of any type next to any individual user that you want, for any reason - e.g. to help their comments stand out as you scroll, or to remind you to be careful replying, or whatever custom reason you chose to remind yourself of.
Edit: and all that I’ve said here is already available. So I guess it’s not so primitive after all, especially when keyword filters get added (new features appear all the time - it being in Python makes its development cycle FAST!), but what I meant is that even more is planned, to further reduce the manual burden of moderation efforts. Also, the entire sidebar appears below every single post, unlike in some apps where it it quite buried behind several clicks. It’s not fully ready for the masses yet but it’s coming along nicely, and already has several features that Lemmy lacks (and vice versa unfortunately).
Edit 2: based on db0’s comment, I should mention that PieFed also has Mastodon style tags too, on top of not only communities but on top of that too there are Categories of Communities. This is getting confusing to describe so just look at this example - the hierarchy above the post shows the Categories, the tags are below it, and the YouTube link is natively embedded in between.
Isn’t that the way Nostr works, and thus if full of alt-right trolls escaping moderation?
They still to be attached to an instance at the protocol level. Or you have instances which are barely network components rather than communities, but that’s not what ActivityPub is about
And that’s a problem.
However, there’s nothing stopping a developer from extending the protocol to support it. You can essentially throw a message into the fediverse with more or less arbitrary payloads. Adding something like a feed/community identifier is not impossible.
It’s called a fediverse for a reason
Seems like they didn’t get the memo that the entire point of coming here was to decentralize.
Then again /c/196 sucks so that’s a fitting instance for them. Blahaj is marginally better.
Context
Also, lots of discussion under the announcement post in the new comm https://lemmy.world/post/24437552.
Omg the disparity is palpable.
The post you linked:
we are going to continue to moderate on this instance exactly the same as we did on blahaj.zone.
The “we’ve already left” style post on blahaj:
Why? That’s a complicated question with a long answer! The primary difference is moderatorial and ideologial differences between my team and Ada’s excellent team of admins…
Edit: so in asking whether the moderation will appear the same to the users, the answer is “well yes, except actually no”.
Only 2-3 hours old and already 36 posts (less than a minute later 43, I’ll stop updating this now:-), nearly 400 users, 174 subscribers (I guess the others simply voted or commented?) - this is taking off like a rocket!
The mods forgot the basic Rule of Lemmy: fuck spez.
Those mods almost pulled a spez
I mean… okay so technically they didn’t, but only technically. I think I saw where you asked the question: who owns a community? They acted like the mods did, and now having FA, they are FO that they in fact do not own it nearly to the degree that the community members themselves do.
So now the community is split, and they may find themselves having to do a lot less moderation work in the future.
I contributed a post myself to help them out.:-)
Thank you for your post!
I’m on LW and both communities seem empty. This usually indicates defederation, right?
No, that’s something with your client. When I go to https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected] I see plenty of posts.
It’s strange, when I’m logged in on the web app or use Sync I see nothing, when I’m not logged in to the web app it’s fine. Also using the Eternity app works fine.
That is weird, maybe check your language settings? Make sure you have ‘Undetermined’ selected. If not, maybe log out and back in.
Checked it, it’s on Undetermined. Logged back in just in case, but nothing.
Either I got banned or something else is afoot. But we’re getting quite offtopic so I’ll leave it here. Thanks for the suggestion!
The community is now locked on blahaj. In the past even from the Lemmy UI locking a post has caused issues with it federating properly, like votes and comments aren’t sent out any longer, so perhaps Sync won’t show it for that reason?
Perhaps force quit and restart your app, maybe even restart your phone.
Sync has a bug where you can’t see posts on your home instance.
Do you have the community blocked or something?
Nah I checked all my filters and blocks but dbzer0 is not on there. Did I get banned? XD
Also banned people can still see posts and comments from where they are banned
