Yeah I see articles like this every week for the entire year, but none of this matters to anyone outside of Russia, right?
All that matters is the citizens either believe it or are forced to believe it? After that any other nation can say whatever it wants.
Which leads me to wondering if other nations attempted any psych ops to try and sway more domestic opinion.
Reminder: As the aggressor in an imperialist colonialist war, Russia can end the war at any time, just by returning all its troops to its own territory. The continuation of the war is purely the choice of the extreme right-wing Russian dictator and his cronies, who continue to violently exploit the Russian people.
Exactly. If this were remotely true, it would have been cheaper to just buy the old weapon systems from Ukraine.
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Even if you believe all of this, it should be obvious that the invasion was an abject failure in contributing towards these goals. There’s more NATO equipment and support around that border now than ever before. There’s even more NATO border incoming that didn’t exist before. Staying, expending more of your people’s lives, public and private capital looks like a really counterproductive thing to do. It’s only making those goals harder to meet longer term.
Russia managed to hold onto Crimea, an important warm water port.
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What do you mean by even if? Where did I say “therefore the invasion of Ukraine cannot be a failure” or “therefore Russia’s capitalist government will do the best for their people in the long term”? Again, what’s up with all this X and Y cannot be true at the same time.
Got it.
You say there is a NATO border incoming. Is this a win for the world population, to be closer to a nuclear war? When two blocks of oligarchies exchange punches, I would say one misses the point when they cheer on the blue-yellow one.
For the world population, maybe. There’s an argument to be made that a weaker militarily and economically Russia is less likely to decide to throw punches and the punches would be weaker. That might be good for the rest of us people of the world. I simply can’t see any stability emerging from the status quo in Russia in the medium term and so I see it as needing mitigation. The economic development didn’t manage to put enough money and control in the hands of average Russians who could tame punch throwing impulses. 😐 The average Russians will be paying either way.
There’s a lot of maybes and mights in there. That’s just my view. That said, a whole lot of Europe was a lot more positively inclined towards Russia before the war.
Could easily argue that the winner of the Cold War was the US, considering the USSR collapsed through internal strife and balkanization.
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Sure, not because of Chernobyl, the national embarrassment of the failed soviet afghan war, the coup attempt on Gorbachov and the following turmoil causing Moscow to lose influence, followed by many republics declaring independence. but sure, just the profit/market economy
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Bro Russia would easily be the wealthiest country in Europe if they weren’t obsessed with being global antagonists. Lmao, they literally say that cringe shit out loud every time they talk about “Anglo Saxons” on Russian media. They know their entire schtick is fucking them over, yet they still do it.
And if the ruling class didn’t keep obscene amounts of wealth from reaching the average Russian.
I feel like you want to have this argument with someone and, sure, go for it, but I feel like you’re painting OP as the average /r/worldnews poster, and that’s a very rude thing to do. For all I know they might agree with you but the hostility isn’t helping.
Sorry if this is a little forward or “tone policing”, it just bugged me.
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What in OP’s comment did not seem like reddit r/worldnews level to you?
For starters, they recognized russian people also as exploited victims of the ruling class. Instead of the usual comparing them to orcs or whatever.
I don’t think it’s productive to argue with a version of someone you came up with. There’s a way to make a point about US foreign policy and capital’s role in the war without mocking people.
This is pretty much how Bush & USA justified pre-emptive strikes against non-existent WMDs. Russia don’t need to see their neighbors as friendly instead of neutral, and they definitely don’t need to conquer them just in case.
“And, as Putin said yesterday, one of the tasks was to demilitarise Ukraine. In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with.”
Ah, the subtle differences between demilitarization and upgrading to NATO standards.
If his statement had ever anything to do with reality. Probably just feel-good words directed at the domestic audience.
Mission failed successfully! We bombed a lot of “Nazis” and their local weapons capabilities! Pay no attention to the fact that we’ve radicalized an entire generation of brand-new nationalists, strengthened our enemies, and ensured free flow of cutting-edge weaponry into their country while feeding an entire generation of our young men into a meat grinder.
is Putin trying out a new comedy routine? Because I legit laughed when I read that quote.
i suppose he thinks ukraine relying on western nations for weaponry is better than ukraine being able to produce its own (im fairly sure that they still are producing their own so.)
@Spzi Ukraine has been demilitarized of soviet equipment FWIW. Imagine how long it would’ve taken Ukraine to do this had it not been an invasion on its land. Thanks, Putler!
Bonus: Putler has also demilitarized former Warsaw Pact members of Soviet weaponry even further. Can you believe the benefits of it? I’m in tears of joy rn.
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Can the cowards downvoting the comment I’m responding to and others in this thread respond to this comment? I want to block you guys but you timidly refuse to stick your head out and post your disagreements out in the open.
Fun part of that game was killing tiamat, lord of the dragons.
dying on the ground riddled with bullets haha! You see, I have successfully disarmed my opponent, as they are now entirely out of ammo. Mission accomplished!
“We have purposely trained him wrong, as a joke”
“How do you like my nuts to your first style?”
I’m bleeding, making me the victor
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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This is pretty pathetic for positive spin. It reminds me of Zap Brannigan: “You see, Killbots have a preset kill limit. Knowing their weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them, until they reached their limit and shutdown. Kif, show them the medal I won.”
This was exactly my though !! That and at the beginning of the war, when russian soldiers didn’t know they went to war, I saw Brannigan saying :
"Surprise is the key of victory !! Surprise !! drop the soldiers on the battlefield
I love when fascist imperialists get to eat shit
How about the aircraft prighozhin destroyed, is that one of the jokes too?
He shot down Russian aircraft, killed Russian airmen, and walked away.
Who needs Netflix, that weekend was true entertainment.
Russia just wants time to restock their ammo and do this again 5-10 years. They’re are increasing artillery production, still building misses, and Shahed drone factory. They don’t want peace they will keep attacking till they get pushed all the way back. The only purpose that drone factory serves is to continue attacking civilians even if a peace deal is formed.
Off you fuck then!
Keeping their options open for an exit strategy. Must be for their domestic consumption
Wait, its over?
No, the Kremlin is sometimes able to say things, that, uh, may conflict with reality.
Tbf, if they lie to their people about the “special military operation” being a success and fuck off out of Ukraine, that would already be a massive improvement over the status quo.
Seriously, Putin. You’re a dictator with a massive propaganda network. Just declare victory and march home, before you continue to get your butts kicked
😂
“Alternative facts”
Нет! Это правда! It says it right in the name!
(/s obviously)
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Russians, I heard, are apolitical. In the sense that politics is the government’s job and it doesn’t affect them.
Correct. Source: am from Russia
Ya hear that Lloyd Austin? Time for another 20 billion
Did anyone else notice that this is the Kremlin saying this rather than Pootin? Is the Kremlin getting ready to tell poopypants-poopin to sit in the corner? This might be a shift in leadership.
This is probably an example of Synecdoche, where “Kremlin” means “officials of the government”.
Doubt for a leader like poopy pants theres only 1 way out.
Can you turn me into a sun next?
