You know it’s possible to both oppose genocide and vote to avoid making it multitudes worse right?
Well, one of those is a thing you can do right now, the other is a topic you can only whine about for the next four years.
I can and have done both. While I would have loved to see Nutty-Yahoo hauled into the internation courts, that would have been a much simpler task if we now didn’t have to also try and deal with whatever new hell Trump digs up on any given day.
Did Biden reverse his opinion on the ICC at some point after he called Netanyahu’s arrest warrant “Outrageous” or put any weight behind a push to repeal the Hague Invasion Act?
Dunno, I spoke for me not Biden. I do know, or at least have a lot better suspicion, that either Biden or Kamela would be a lot better for the overall situation and any hopes of holding Israel accountable than the guy calling for the complete purge of Gaza.
I don’t wish to be rude, but you must not be familiar with the U.S.A. if you think it would be any easier to hold a client state accountable under the Democrats, like Biden, who have also openly rejected Netanyahu’s arrest warrant.
If anything, Trump might break this country badly enough to make it possible for the international criminal court to act without fear of reprisal.
Did Biden agree to make Snoop Dogg the official Governor of the Moon?
What does that have to do with anything now? Nothing. It has nothing to with this insane horror show the genoside joeys have midwifed.
And, just to put too fine a point on it, the situation for Gaza and with Bibi is infinitely worse.
What does that have to do with anything now?
It directly contradicts the fantasy that a Democrat government might comply with the ICC/ICJ.
And, just to put too fine a point on it, the situation for Gaza and with Bibi is infinitely worse.
Please, do explain. What got worse under Trump than it already was under Biden?
It directly contradicts the fantasy that a Democrat government might comply with the ICC/ICJ.
Yeah, that wasn’t going to happen. True. That’s been since day 1. You’re looking at a long road to change that. Now, Bibi wouldn’t have been invited over, that’s for fucking sure. But you got that now. Hoooray.
Please, do explain. What got worse under Trump than it already was under Biden?
Because instead of competent officials, you have an absolutely deranged rapist babbling land development deals in the middle of a press conference without consulting anyone and now nobody knows where their balls are because they can’t figure out what angle to try and play his insanity with.
Not sure if “sweeping Gaza clear & putting up casinos” was on your restructuring wish list, but I’m pretty sure it wasn’t on the Democrats’. And I’m pretty sure it’ll go poorly for the Gazans.
Bibi held his foot on the gas until trump was in, and then he didn’t have to because he’s already in trumps head and has carte blanche. If you think it was that way under Biden, you’re wrong. If you think there will be any trend towards humanitarian aid, competent diplomacy, or pushback of any kind on Bibi’s insanity party you are absolutely wrong. That’s how.
Give up on the “4 years” shit. That ain’t happening and you know it.
Cool, so we can give up on relitigating the last election and move forward?
Move forward? Do you not understand how fucked we are?
It’s gonna take nothing less than a major miracle to not succumb to an inevitable string of back-to-back-to-back disasaters of all types. Last time we got a global pandemic of a neurological biogenic weapon. Maybe this time it’ll only be volcanoes and fascism.
No. We’re not moving forward with the people who got us here. With luck, we’ll survive.
Move forward? Do you not understand how fucked we are?
I’ve known how fucked we are since Bush v. Gore proved that American Democracy has always been a sham. Trump is nothing new, just an escalation of a trend that started in the 70’s.
It’s gonna take nothing less than a major miracle to not succumb to an inevitable string of back-to-back-to-back disasaters of all types.
Precisely. That’s why it’s so important that we stop playing the blame game and start getting organized.
No. We’re not moving forward with the people who got us here. With luck, we’ll survive.
That’s the hope, that we might all be able to build networks of mutual aid to get each other through the troubled times ahead.
I’ve known how fucked we are since Bush v. Gore proved that American Democracy has always been a sham.
Bush v. Gore was 2000, but it proved all 200+ years prior were a sham? No. A sham from then on, or even since the Regan era would be acceptable, but even then it’s an absolutist framing which is never true.
Trump is nothing new, just an escalation of a trend that started in the 70’s.
Having a literal, demented rapist felon in the white house is absolutely “new”. Not sure what trend in the 70’s you’re talking about. Reagan, I’d go with.
That’s why it’s so important that we stop playing the blame game and start getting organized.
“the blame game” is a republican rejoinder to avoid accountability. People who refused to vote for Harris to stop trump are responsible for trump being president. Not solely responsible, but it’s a reprehensible choice. They need to grok how fucked up a choice that was. Many apparently still do not. There will be ample reminders in the next few years.
That’s the hope, that we might all be able to build networks of mutual aid to get each other through the troubled times ahead.
we HAVE mutual networks. They’re now being burned down under the false premise that somehow their existence allows genocide in Palestine. Despite that not being true, it’s also hypocritical and myopic to consider such a connection. The non-voting left have fucked up, bigly.
I’m not suggesting things were ever close to perfect, or that change isn’t desperately needed. I’m suggesting that by refusing the one choice that would have made a difference when it mattered the most, the people who refused to stop trump should not be listened to. At best they’ve made the worst choice possible and need to understand that, at worst, they’re useful idiots.
I mean we’re a slave empire founded on tax evasion with a central ethos built around an eternal westward expansion that we ran out of room for a century and a half ago.
Seems like we were always a sham.
Just refocus your energy with the expectation that if you DO get to vote again, it’ll be entirely performative anyways. But remember that elections are expensive, so obviously we can cut that from the budget. Or we could do the fake elections and use it as a gift to take in bribes from corporations.
Whether or not we see elections again isn’t really important. The important part is the organization we’ll need to get as many people as possible through the years ahead.
Agreed. That’s kind of the point. But also… More Dems need to embrace being armed for self defense. If you’ve heard of Rs having hundreds of thousands of rounds of ammo and dozens of guns, you should have at least one.
Seek help
Trump: we’re going to relocate Gazans into other territories so we end the conflict without loss of life.
Libs: we’ve decided to redefine the term Genocide to mean “moving people or destroying culture”.
Now, refugees are “self-genociding” and mass immigration into western countries is Genocide that should be stopped.
Sacrifice your land, give up your homes and identities so I can build a casino strip where they where. Don’t bother me with that crap about your needs and human rights… What happened to all that self rightious indignation over imperialist expansion and capitalist subjugation of the masses?
If you read the page you linked it explicitly says:
Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group
It also lists specifically in the main points that causing physical or mental harms is right up at #2. You’re suggesting that just telling them to GTFO and find someplace else to live is not harmful? Now, I suppose we could just say let them all come to the USA, but we ended up electing someone who made a pretty big promise of starting the largest deportation in history, do I don’t see that happening.
I definitely think it’s harmful. I definitely think force and physical harm, and likely some murders would be required to actually remove them. What is being proposed is awful there’s no doubt about that.
But I cannot equate “mental harm” with “genocide”. You’re redefining an incredibly triggering word just so you can use it to attack an enemy. However redefining it is dangerous because it minimises the words true impact. You’re now, in effect, saying that Hitler “upset a few Jews” rather than he committed mass murder. You’re applying genocide to a bunch of places where it only really serves to make the word redundant.
Saying it reasonably fits the definition as established by the UN in no way equates to ‘Hitler upset a few jews’.
You can call it what you will, frankly in many ways taking everything one has and throwing them to the wilds is crueler than to just kill them outright.
Yes, because ethnic cleansing famously doesn’t cause loss of life. And even if you could somehow relocate millions of Gazans safely to a country that’s willing and capable to accept them (of which there are none because the Arab nations aren’t as much pro-Palestine as they are anti-Israel, one of the biggest mass murders of Palestinians was committed by Jordan) forcibly relocating people for a landgrab is still a crime against humanity. Even if it’s not technically “genocide.” Though considering the almost guaranteed loss of cultural heritage and consciousness calling cultural genocide would not be inappropriate in the slightest.
For fuck’s sake, I’m as pro-Israel as you can get and that’s not something I can defend. It’s completely inhumane. It’s also exactly what I expected from a Trump presidency.
The reason the Arab countries are refusing refugees is because when they do it becomes a permanent displacement.
Here they are.
