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They will, at best, mildly inconvenienced the pirates.
I’ve been pirating a long time. Not once have I been inconvenienced by any anti-Piracy measure. There’s always another way around.
Having to find a way around is an inconvenience.
lol not really. Not a single piracy measure I’ve ever come across was anything more than a 3-5 minute Google fix away.
So Italy is going to block all VPNs, then?
Can’t you just vpn to another vpn ?
I’m not an expert on internet security but I do know there is no way in hell to legislate around blocking internet. Even China’s great firewall isn’t working.
I guess by passing legislation like this you get most people to be compliant, but this is about pirates, who were already actively non compliant in the first place.
The folks who pirate the content are literally going to have to click one extra button or something like that to work around the vpns trying to block stuff…
Take this with a grain of salt, I am by no means qualified to say anything on this topic with total certainty.
All a VPN does is encrypt traffic between you and the VPN. The VPN Hub you’re connected to has to unencrypted your outbound traffic, fulfilling those requests, and then encrypting inbound traffic back to you. A VPN obscures traffic by allowing you to make your requests from a different location, where thousands of others also do it, all while hiding who is making any requests it fulfills, and hiding your activity from your ISP with encryption. A good VPN will also not keep logs of anything it does, and will have options to connect to Hubs outside of five eyes countries.
This would mean that while the VPN might not know who is making what requests, they would know what those requests are, so they could blacklist illegal content. All this to say a VPN >VPN >VPN > VPN still has a final VPN that has to make the request, and they will know where the request is going and what its for. But unless that final VPN company or Hub is actually inside of Italy they have no jurisdiction.
The real problem with this method is A) who determines what is blacklisted B) How do you enforce this blacklist C) How do you make the blacklist grow as fast as pirates spread out. This is a stupid law that wouldn’t do anything even if the entire world got on board.
Can’t you just vpn to another vpn ?
Won’t even have to. Just use any VPN provider outside of Italy that doesn’t have to comply with Italian law. lol.
Tor essentially
I’m sure there will be workarounds.
I think there are plenty of people who would be pirates if it were more convenient, but I suspect the point of diminishing returns for legislation has already been passed. If you’re savvy and dedicated enough to use a VPN in the first place, then this probably won’t stop you. Non-tech-savvy people are already turned off of torrents for half a dozen different reasons.
DNS, though? That will block a lot of people from accessing things like Z-library, which is currently easy enough to access for anyone who knows how to use Google.
China’s measures have been largely successful, unfortunately. It’s still possible to VPN out, but it’s a risk a lot of people are unwilling to take since it could realistically get them in trouble. I’ve lost contact with some friends in China because we have no shared platforms and the increasing blocking measures over the past 10 years finally passed their tolerance threshold.
I guess I could figure out how to use iMessage, which AFAIK is the only end-to-end encrypted messaging service that still works (or at least the only moderately popular one). Makes me wonder how secure it really is if China hasn’t banned it…
China is a whole other can of worms. It’s not so much the firewall, but the regime.
“The Internet sees censorship as damage and routes around it.”
Australia already has this, but it is extremely easy to circumvent, just use a different VPN.
Don’t even have to go that far, just change your DNS to a non-Australian one. Anything that turns up from a “top 10 dns providers” search works.
How exactly will they force compliance for companies not based in Italy, or even the EU?
Making something illegal and actually stopping it are two different things. Also see: drugs.
Better yet, how will they determine what is “pirated content”?
By banning and blocking all VPN providers not based in Italy.
I am experiencing such banning of providers right now. It is a whack-a-mole, seems futile. Not to mention that most people use sketchy free noname VPNs that are just too numerous. Or apparently some people set up basic XRay/VLESS/whatever and sell it via a Telegram bot…
Not mentionning that anyone can set up their own VPN server… Good fucking luck with that 💀
You can ban big hosting providers, but even here they’re cautious with measures like that because it would break WAY too much. Not to mention that you could just use a lesser-known one, even if it doesn’t operate in the country legally.
I’d like to see them ban Microsoft azure, aws, or whatever Google calls it. Not to mention the numerous smaller providers.
Italians will just pay with crypto to get around payment bans.
I bet there comes the day that I need to share access to my server to allow people from other countries accessing the real free web through me…
Host a Tor node or bridge right now if it is safe for you))
Or vpn hopping, works too.
So by going harder on blocking content that China? Because that’s what they do but most of the big providers get through after a day or two of downtime each time the government make a change to block them.
Supreme fascist control doesn’t start immediately. It needs to take one small baby step every day.
Never heard of forcing VPN providers to block something. Kinda defeats the purpose. Long live Tor I guess?
It’s a fascist government, they don’t care about reality, just looks.
France has been attempting the exact same thing recently.
Tor + vpn can circumvent these blocks?
Don’t combine. Just use tor or a VPN.
I still don’t have an understanding whether this meaningfully downgrades Tor’s security. Because if there was no extra harm, it would be helpful when bridges are blocked frequently, but some VPN services (or just your own VPS setup) have a better obfuscation.
I’ll stop combining them when Tor can punch through the censorship in this country
What? The link you posted didn’t even say that. Just to avoid if your not an advance user. They literally have a page explaining benefits…
What nonsense. If I want my origin to tor to start with a VPN then I will and I’ll be more anonymous because of it.
Are there even any decent VPN providers operating in Italy? What is the point of this?
I think airvpn is based in Italy
Won’t happen. Enforcing this would cost way too much.
They will use it to jail anyone caught using the internet illegally. Most likely people that are ideologically opposed to them.
It’s Italy, there is no chance of that efficiency. This is - as usual - stuff done to prevent pirated sport content. Nothing else has ever and probably will ever be done.
With these kind of news from Southern Europe it’s always about pirate football streams. How much does it cost to watch football legally in Italy?
The only options you have are:
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Dazn Standard (45€/month, 35€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to all the SerieA matches (and a whole bunch of other sports nobody cares about)
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Dazn Goal Pass (20€/month, 14€/month if you pay for 12 months) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don’t get to choose (and a bunch of other sports nobody cares about)
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Sky (16€/month for the first 18 months, then whatever Sky wants after that) to get access to 3 SerieA matches per week which you don’t get to choose (and a bunch of other stuff nobody cares about)
Most people care only about some specific matches, so your only option is Dazn.
Dazn is also a very crappy service, it often has connectivity problems and also has ads. Fun fact, if you get a connection issue while watching a Dazn ad, it will restart.
So, as usual, monopoly, high costs and crappy services drive piracy.
Important note: wages in Italy are VERY low. 45€/month is a significant expense.
Wow, that’s way worse than I imagined. No wonder people watch illegal streams!
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Imagine stuffing so much cash in the butt of a rich guy, only to look how other, most likely better earners than you, play against each others using a tiny ball.
I don’t get sports fanatics…
How many of these soccer stadiums have been build with tax payer money?
I think all the big stadiums actually used for these big matches are privately built and owned?
That would be unusual. Most sports stadiums in most major cities are heavily subsidized by the city/state (e.g. tax payers), especially in public transportation. I’d be surprised if even a small % were 100% privately funded.
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This is actually about having the power of one person in an office wiping out any internet domain from the country.
Heh… Good luck forcing VPN to do anything!
Has no log VPN
“We have no record of anything, oh well.”
Hm, isn’t Airvpn based in Italy?
