I fled Reddit due to the authoritarian mod craziness, but Lemmy.world seems infested with too much Communist craziness. I’m leftist, but communism is idiocy. Is there an instance that leans more democratic socialist but refrains from going off the deep end?
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I’d like to hear your take on “communism is idiocy”.
.world is the most liberal place on the lemmy lmao. If they are too left for you idk what to tell you
“Authoritarian mod craziness”? What communities were you hanging in where this was such a widespread problem?
Also .world is definitely not overwhelmingly communist. You need to start subscribing/blocking just like you probably did on Reddit. There’s no underlying algorithm making decisions for you here. You have full control of what you see. If you don’t like what you see, you can fix it!
TBF, I got banned from Reddit after RvW for saying riot police should quit their jobs en masse. Reddit likes to quench any kind of dissent
I hate the shithole site and Spez but I’m struggling to believe that’s all there is to the story
The thread it was on was an absolute shit show. Right wingers were out en masse reporting every left leaning comment. Eventually the mods and admins showed up and began deleting or banning every left leaning comment, even relatively mundane ones.
I’m surprised you see a ton of that on lemmy.world, always found that instance rather tame and moderate, at least by lemmy standards. Certainly compared to Hexbear, ml and Lemmygrad. Are you sure those weren’t federated posts from those instances? Anyway, lemm.ee is pretty neutral, lemmy.dbzer0.com leans more anarchist. But you could also just stay on .world and subscribe to communities that align with your views on whatever instance. Unless you have an issue with the moderation on .world specifically, it doesn’t really matter.
As someone similar to you, blocking and stuff seems the right approach vs. trying to find a specific instance.
Bingo. Making a new account somewhere else likely won’t help. The only way it would is if all the content OP objects to comes from a single instance and they find another instances that’s defederated frrom that source instance.
@[email protected] @[email protected]
adding my voice to the mix. I have always advocated blocking. My experience with mmo chat taught me that a cesspool can turn into a pretty nice place with some blocking. My basic rule is subscribe to what I like and block what I don’t and everything else im indifferent to. don’t like sports then block those communities. like comics and subscribe to those. indifferent to animal pictures then let it lie and you will see them when you browse all.
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lemmy.dbzer0.com is anarchist and stongly hates all states, both USA and the Russia, China types.
lemmy world is neoliberal, I mean, tankies do post there, but the moderation is mostly neoliberal and are anti-violence absolutists, even if its directed towards nazis
lemmy.ml, lemmygrad.ml, and hexbear.net (now chapo.chat) are tankies, avoid those
Pretty much everyone else on lemmy are anti-authoritarian and pro- socialist policies, some are social democrats, others are democratic socialists, some are anarchists.
If you don’t like tankies:
lemmy.dbzer0.com (we have [email protected] 😉)
sh.itjust.works
sopuli.xyz
piracy community is blocked on lemmy.world btw, so you might as well joine us, or any of my recommended ones.
TLDR: lemmy.world is not “communist”, just just a few tankies that love to post thinnly veiled authoritarianism.
Edit: Also, you are probably seeing federated posts from lemmy.ml, I block most of those communities except like a few non-political ones like c/privacy
Also Blåhaj. Seems to be pretty anarchist from what I’ve seen, and I’d say Blåhaj is perfect if you’re queer, especially trans.
lemmy.world
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Spamming emojis just makes you look ridiculous and like your opinions don’t matter
Replying uselessly to comments you don’t like just to defend a censorship-happy neoliberal hivemind hotbed makes you look like a petty, bored, very gullible person.
I’d call .world default liberal instead of neoliberal personally. A lot of demsoc types.
That’s fair. However, I’d say anyone that is just fine with the deaths of >50,000 innocent people because of some tenuous revenge premise fall closer on the politicial spectrum to Reagan or Bush than anyone I’d even consider labelling a “liberal”.
Guy, you need to get outside more. This person’s reaction matches about 95% of people in the world.
Guy, you’re the same person that was attacking people over their disapproval of a genocide only a few months ago. So, please just shut your fascist mouth.
Don’t call me Guy, Buddy!
Don’t call me buddy, guy!
Yeah, that’s me. Mr. Genocide. Which ones though? What of my comments which of course are in favor of genocide is your favorite of the ones that are in favor of genocide? I’m sure you wouldn’t just be making up bullshit.
It was an abuse of banning, censoring, trolling, and brigading IIRC. I wrote your name down, though because you were one of the worst offenders.
Holy shit! Genocide, banning, censoring, trolling, and worst of all, brigading.
I didn’t realize you’d written my name down. Oh shit. Well, that pretty much settles it, I withdraw entirely my request for some sort of proof of these things you’re accusing me of.
I’m pretty sure they were attacking people over their stupidity in falsely equating Harris to Trump and the comparative damage they’d have for not just the genocide in Gaza, but also Russia’s genocide in Ukraine. Anyone who felt they were the same deserves many “🤣” for their performative BoTh SiDeS grandstanding.
Right on cue, one of the other notable genocide supporting trolls comes out of the woodwork to defend his bud.
As so easily predicted, immediate deflections away from the most clear-cut logical and ethical choices anyone could possibly make. Trump thanks you for your service, you good little accelerationist, you ;)
Edit: not sure why you deleted that. Also, I read that book. And Blowback. And A People’s History. Ever read The Shock Doctrine?
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Are you an American?
I am. I’ve traveled internationally some amount. I am sure it varies by country, but the people who have a notable reaction to China/USSR-style communism, from outside the US, have a much stronger hostility to it than the US people I know. Because generally they have more experience with it.
US people don’t like socialism, and think it is “communism.” That part is true, but that wasn’t what I was talking about.
The idea that so many of the people on Lemmy are communists is what led me to think you’re an American. I am too, which is why I know the bias of the American political spectrum starts way more to the right than most of the world. So Americans tend to label ideas more left leaning than they really are.
The communists and tankies are about 90% on the lemmy.ml instance. The rest of Lemmy is left but most as are not communists.
The communists and tankies are about 90% on the lemmy.ml instance. The rest of Lemmy is left but most as are not communists.
Yeah. In case it wasn’t clear, I was talking about being able to encounter overt authoritarian communists at all on lemmy.world, not saying that most of the lemmy.world users themselves are communists. My reaction was very specifically to the word “communist” and not referring to the existence of anarchist / general working-class oriented stuff on Lemmy.
I think most of the lemmy.world users fall pretty much in the sensible region of opinion: Israel is bad, the CCP is bad, Russia’s war in Ukraine is bad. Gay people are ok. Unions are good and the US state is oppressive. Just normal stuff (within my own personal Overton window). Of course a lot of US people would see that as some horrifying communism, but that’s not at all what I was saying, although I can see maybe it came across that way.
Mostly I was saying that I can sympathize with this person coming to lemmy.world and seeing federated content that says “yay China, Tienanmen Square was exaggerated, all this stuff about North Korea is just giving them a bad rap because imperialism” and having this shocked reaction because of it. Whether or not it originates from lemmy.world, it’s weird to see it on lemmy.world or on the modern internet at all. Usually the free exchange of ideas can educate people out of that pretty quickly. I think it’s a symptom of (a) Lemmy having particular features which enable someone to create an echo chamber specifically for proliferating that stuff (b) the world as a whole has gotten more unhinged from reality and so it’s easier for counterfactual stuff to find a solid footing.
Let’s talk about this in a little more detail.
What do you consider going off the deep end? What do you consider leftist? Which ideas do you consider idiocy? What is your idea of a society worth living in?
I personally am open to any ideas that exclude discrimination of identity. For me the tolerance paradoxon applies.
I’m happy to hear your thoughts.
I’m also looking for a place without edgy or crazy people.
For me its:
Democratic: yes
Socialism/social net/sharing/helping: yes
Dictatorial: no
Tankie: no
Undemocratic: no
China or CCCP/URSS worship: no
Soviet whitewashing: no
That’s about it.
Edit: I was looking for a community not an instance (I have my own but I still uses .world as I had some trouble, time to migrate back home I guess :-) ) but thanks for all helpful comments!
Block the Lemmy.ml instance and there goes most of those people.
I think thats valid. You don’t have to accept or look at everything.
Do you mind sharing what your ideal society looks like? I think a lot of folks share common ideas but have vastly different labels for them.
I’ll go ahead:
I personally want to work. It can be fun. I want to do things I’m actually good at. I want to be able to afford food and housing. I want to know that i wont starve if I become sick or disabled. I want to be able to survive when I’m too old to work regularly. I want my family to be safe no matter what.
I think those are pretty understandable goals. I want to live in a world where this applies to as many people as possible.
Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that’s a given I think.
No ultra rich people (but you need to dream, so no communist pay either). UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).
The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don’t need to work (that much)? I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don’t believe me? Go work in some big companies). How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here.
See! I fully agree on the social aspects of your ideals. I would like to give my opinion on your points. Please read them as ideas, not a form of diminishing your thoughts.
Yeah we all have to work (or contribute to society by our possible means) that’s a given I think.
Actually, i dont think we do. We produce a lot more than we need (food for 10 billion people) and a lot of crap that only fuels consumerism. Not saying there is an alternative yet but maybe we can agree on “some people definitely need to work for us to survive and thrive.”
No ultra rich people
Fully agree
(but you need to dream, so no communist pay either).
But do we? Or is it just a concept we use to keep the current situation going? Would we not dream if we just had the same?
UBI that covers basic food & housing. Art and science as the goal of society (after taking care of everyone).
100% agree
The problem is what to do with all egomaniacs, is there enough benevolent people or will nobody become a dentist if you don’t need to work (that much)?
would you rather do an easier job that one you have passion and skills for if they were paid the same? I agree that moving trash or working in the sewers should potentially be paid extra. I think currently, education being expensive, doctors are kept scarce. Make it free and watch.
I mean lots of people get up in the morning and spends their whole life working, because of some crazy angry people (don’t believe me? Go work in some big companies).
I have. Huge companies are cancer. Nothing more.
How do we re-train those people, how do we keep an army? Lots and lots of open ended questions here
from the bottom up, as always. We vote as left as possible (those who still can). We demand UBI, free education, free public transport, fair taxes, free healthcare, etc. We build communities (currently underway) to subvert oppressive systems with mutual support groups, etc.
Again, this is just my personal opinion so please disagree wildly if you wish. Just try to stay constructive.
many instances, like mine, are ‘generic on-ramps’. their ‘main’ purpose is to provide unfettered access to all other instances.
in this way you curate your own feeds by subscribing to what you want.
lemmy.dbzer0.com - anarchist, hates all states, both USA and Russia/China types
Other non-tankie options are
sh.itjust.works - shhhh… 🤫 it… just works… 😉
lemmy.ca - Canadian 🇨🇦
sopuli.xyz - Run by a Finn 🇫🇮
db0 is a really cool person. Has the piracy sub there too :-)
Sopuli is very pro Ukrainian. Cool good finnish guy it seems.
That’s .ml
.world is hardly the home of the tankie, what you see might be posts from lemmy.ml
There are two other places known as lemmygrad and hexbear that are outright communist/tankie that you’ll see occasionally brigade when someone posts anything positive about the USA.
This and most others are pretty sane. One that comes to mind for what you’re asking particularly might be https://slrpnk.net/signup who seem kind of left but not Stalin left.
Otherwise there’s the join Lemmy link at the bottom of any given instance to look through.
seconding solarpunk, it’s a beautiful movement in general
Try just joining a local domain which is ostensibly apolitical, then find communities that meet your needs
If the de facto gatekeepers of the genocidal liberal death cult status quo on the fediverse aren’t liberal enough for you, I think you’d feel right at home at https://shitlib.cuck/
Username checks out
I’m leftist, but
classic lol
.world is about as anticommunist as you can expect, if that’s not enough for you maybe you could relocate to one of the Nazi servers
says the .ml person commenting on .world. it does not matter what any particular places people is like unless they defederate from each other. @[email protected] is talking about his experience and is likely not seperating out where users come from. in addition anyone can make a user on any open instance. I actually would like to see more closed instances that are about a particular local groups like sci fi conventions or makerspaces and such.
You should use Hexbear. There aren’t any communists there. Just posers who think communism means supporting dictatorships.
i was as naive as OP back in the day, it’s alright bro you’ll get there
It’s called “Bluesky” lol
