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It’s revisionist history to pretend Orwell was talking about socialism.
It’s ignorance to pretend socialism has anything to do with fascism.
“BuT nAzIs CaLlEd ThEmSeLvEs SoCiAlIsTs!”
The people who think Orwell was on the right are the same people who think Hitler was on the left. This is not a serious debate.
I mean… asking the question betrays a pretty deep lack of understanding of both the book and the author.
“Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.”
— George Orwell
Yeah, Orwell, the man who went to spain to fight fascism alongside the anarchists and the socialists was not writing a warning about socialism.
Didn’t watch the video but isn’t it just authoritarianism in general?
“Didn’t watch the video” seems to be a popular sentiment, considering the content of some of these replies.
Too many people trying to answer the question of the title, instead of actually watching the video and seeing what he has to say about it.
Yes. Orwell favoured democratic socialism himself.
The book attacked authoritarian socialism (“IngSoc” being a bit of a clue) to some degree but it didn’t really focus on the socialist elements - it was all about methods of control, which could be employed under any economic system.
Animal Farm was a much more direct attack on Stalinism.
To be fair, the book came out on the heels of WW2 wrapping up, and the Nazis literally called themselves “National Socialists,” so I’m not sure we’re meant to take “IngSoc” at face value.
It’s been literal decades so I may be misremembering, but I’m pretty sure he even addresses this?
No, you can take IngSoc at face value, Orwell was strongly in favor of democratic socialism but as much opposed to Stalinism and authoritarianism in general. He should absolutely be viewed as an anti-fascist and anti-authoritarian socialist with strong bonds to anarchy. He claimed that since his time in spain he had become a socialist, but the USSR had abandoned socialism and turned to totalitarianism.
Authoritarianism
I watched. Good video, but I don’t entirely agree with the premise. Interesting to think about though.
