Fuck Windows and Microsoft really. Today I had a meeting call through Teams first thing in the morning so I start my computer 10 minutes earlier than the call because it takes a like 3 or 4 minutes to boot and for Windows to be responsive. Windows decides to apply some past update so it takes 2 or 3 additional minutes which is fine, I am just in time for the meeting call. Well, 10 minutes into the call a notification in windows appears that the computer will restart in 5 minutes and with no option to postpone WTF. Imagine this was an important sales call, an emergency or something else critical, I might be fucked. The computer restarted I started my linux personal computer and I connect my bluetooth headphones to the it but no, they were connected to the Windows computer while it was restarting so I could not just call from it as the microphone started failing a few weeks ago. (I will just replace it, thanks Framework). So fuck my company for using Windows. Fuck Windows for developing such a nightmare OS with so shitty code. This was for sure a patch for a critical vulnerability, like always. And WTF this is Windows for a business, have a fucking super stable branch that does not need patches every other day. I don’t care about your updates to the shitty weather widget, just have a fucking working operating system that let’s me do my work. Fuck Microsoft monopolistic practices that keeps people and businesses from switching to Linux. There is no better publicity for Linux that Windows itself. Most Linux/GNU distros just let you choose when to update.
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You want to use Linux and yet you don’t know what a newline character is?
why bother with that in a rant, I say it’s bloat, and they were right to no use it. in fact now that im thinking about this i realize i can save a lot of time if i dont give a shit what the text looks like. cry about it
I’ve only worked at one software company where devs where allowed to install Linux as their OS. It was awesome… except when there was an update and then you had an urgent request from management while you where fixing what the update broke
Fuck Windows and Microsoft really.
🙏🙏🙏 testify, brother.
Hey you can’t just assume someone on a pro-linux rant on Lemmy is a man…
Jk
I have a channel on my team’s Slack were I just vent off on these kind of situations 😬
#windows-is-the-best, inspired from #gitlab-is-the-best, the chan were everyone vents off when the CI refuses to pick up workers 😅
I actually would really prefer for companies to just provide us virtual machines and I can connect to vpn and then to the work hosts. This way I can use my own setup.
VDI is fairly common, but it has is own set of problems
I’ve been saying this for 30+ years, but no-one wanted to listen.
I unplugged my company issued Windows 11 Dell laptop from its charger yesterday so that I could go ask a manager a question in their office, and the entire computer just shut the fuck off despite having full charge. I’m so glad I moved all my personal stuff to Linux.
because it takes a like 3 or 4 minutes to boot
What kind of PC is this? Does it have an SSD?
My one year old Dell Latitude with a fast SSD needs about 8 minutes every morning to boot windows and start all that security crap that company IT has put on there.
This. I have a mobile workstation with a 12th gen i7, 32gb RAM, and NVME SSD but it’s not uncommon to be waiting multiple minutes for boot due to all the pre-installed spyware from IT. It takes up half the RAM at all times and severely limits the performance for many non-whitelisted apps to the point I can’t even run Firefox smoothly on it anymore.
What kind of PC is this? Does it have an SSD?
If it’s anything like my company a “New” desktop is the managers old desktop.
funny how with sooooo many updates, Windows are still very vulnerable. You buy a Windows PC, you better equip Antivirus software too; it is like bread and butter. On Linux and also Mac, you never need to worry about these things.
Most hacks interact with Linux because its in almost every corporate environment. People can still get scammed on Linux on their personal device too since rdp clients are compatible and a common method used. Linux Desktop is 4% market share (according to steam surveys?) but server infrastructure is largely Linux based, from firewalls to Web servers to database infrastructure. Most people host some form of Linux environment and lots of ransomware actors have Linux specific encryptors.
Think of it this way: if the environment you just hacked has their corporate SQL database with all of their trade secrets sitting on Linux infra, and you’re a ransomware actor, you’re not going to give up and go hack someone else. Well, not if you’re any good I guess.
The Linux community is better at finding and detecting this stuff due to more people looking at it and open source making it available etc. It’s attack surface (software that could be attacked) is still huge and the danger comes from outdated versions and misconfigurations just like anything else.
Patch often, install from trusted sources, have backups. That’s really all you can do. Every environment has vulnerabilities. They sit at desks and push keys on the keyboard.
People still install antivirus? It’s not 2005 anymore.
Why would someone work on hacking Linux when it’s 2% of the market share?
Also, this is just false…
On Linux and also Mac, you never need to worry about these things.
To strengthen our collective security, which is shared among all who care to see- While Microsoft rarely deigns to even give an error code when shit breaks.
Windows also used to show me the ugly face of Trump in the start menu even if I didn’t ask for it. That was more than 4 years ago. Recently was accidentally hovering over some ‘copilot’ button in Edge of a friend. And again - pop-up with Trump. So yes: fuck Windows, fuck Microsoft
Wow, that is some nightmare fuel type shit. That’s actually crazy.
Our work is the opposite. As soon as a new machine arrives we go straight to BIOS at boot, switch the settings and install Linux immediately. Windows never sees the light of day. I do feel for you as we do do sales calls and in the middle of sales calls the people that we are calling have their computers reboot on them, do an update, or I’ve just got to restart and on restart it does an update and huge amounts of time are wasted on those people.
Windows probably costs the world millions a day in wasted, for time for shit like that.
How do you manage your fleet? How big is your network?
I‘d love to push for Linux at work, but have yet to see a solution with similar management capabilities than a Windows domain. And I don’t want to manage individual clients, as sysadmin I want to push templates like GPOs and the like.
Can see it work for smaller environments, but not in a company with a couple hundred machines.
One place I worked at just gave people Linux computers without telling them and disabled the boot image. The job was mostly online Salesforce, so Chrome got them through everything. Imaging was a breeze. We even made it kinda look like windows. No one really commented on it. We didnt hide it from anyone but we didnt go out of our way to make a big deal out of it.
Linux works when people stop thinking of it as “Linux”. Its “Android” or “Steam OS” or “My smart TV” etc… All you need to do is rename it and suddenly they are ok with it.
I work in a higher ed org that uses a mix of (mostly) Red Hat servers and Windows & Mac endpoints; the Linux-focused admins use Ansible for things I’d do with either GPOs (if it’s something tried & true) or Intune (if it’s some half-baked newness and campus IT would actually give my group the permissions) in Windows.
Oh, Ansible is an interesting starting point. Would not thought of it for that purpose, I always „only“ link it mentally to automated deployment.
Will look into it out of curiosity.
Yeah, I’d never seen it used in this way either. They use it mostly to modify config files, which gives you a lot of control over most things on a Linux box. We also use it for Macs to do things like create a standardized local administrator account (since Apple doesn’t have a LAPS equivalent). It’s a pretty tangled web but we have an old-school Linux admin who keeps it all ticking (we just worry about his ticker!).
Good luck!
Oh, hell no. We are absolutely tiny.
It’s very much a trust-based situation as we all work together and in a small team.
I would actually love to know how to handle remote shutdown of PCs and lock out and things like that, for as we do grow, we are getting busier, and starting to expand.
So I’m a total noob when it comes to business systems and I have never used ActiveDirectory or group policies, but wasn’t Linux or rather Unix originally designed as a system for many users on one big machine/network? Why is it so difficult for businesses to manage permissions and group settings on a large amount of devices? What does Microsoft/Windows do so much better there?
It was originally one computer that everyone connected to, it wasn’t a fleet of separate computers like Windows PCs.
And there is probably no simple way to set up a system that would function in a way that Linux needs I guess?
They have the management aspect of large environments down to a tee. Apart from costs it does not really matter if your domain consists of ten, thousand or more systems. The tools to manage those systems centralized by core systems is the same set for all sizes so to speak.
That can be on one campus, across multiple cities and locations. It’s quite frankly IMO the foundation on which the success of Windows in the corporate world is built. Standardized deployment of settings across all company systems saves administrators time which can be used for other tasks instead of micromanaging clients.
I have yet to see a similar solution for Linux clients that works the same way.
I heard Ubuntu got some big upgrades starting with 22.04 in terms to support for GPOs.
I never tested it personally but they do have some documentation for it and they can be added to a Windows domain: https://documentation.ubuntu.com/adsys/en/latest/
Not really the way if one wants to cut ties with Microsoft completely though. And I suspect most would argue „then you can go the Windows route all the way and have less pain integrating client systems“.
If getting rid of Microsoft entirely is the goal, Samba does AD with GPOs just fine.
my boss told me today if we moved to literally any non-microsoft platform or software, i’d be out of a job.
and he’s right. most of us only have careers because microsoft can’t push out a software that’s more than barebone functional - and everyone use them even if there are far superior alternatives out there literally only because of familiarity.
i’m not planning to stop giving microsoft shit of course. they should be criminally prosecuted over their exchange service even and how it’s blacklisting competitors to force businesses onto the platform a la microsoft classic tactics. but eh.
If you’re stuck with Windows for corporate-issued computers, the next time this happens you can abort shutdowns in Windows.
Command Prompt:
shutdown /aSaved me several times over the years.
Also Windows has a button similar to “don’t update this week” or similar.
Windows fr thinks that getting updates done is more important than getting work done.
This. If updates are SO important, then Windows can do it while it’s shutting down.
