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Being “open source” seems to be lead people to think it is altruistic or good for the community as a whole.
Being open source is really just a categorization. A fully for profit organization can make something valuable open source and then leverage that for commercial reasons (like building highly monetized additional code on top).
It is in Google’s best interests for Chromium to dominate the web even if it is open source due to Chrome’s broad reach and Google’s heavy leverage of the web for revenue, like its ad services.
It is shortsighted to see what is happening and then go “well I don’t see a problem”.
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The extensive reach of Chromium is usually a bit understated too. For example, Chromium is what powers all Electron applications., and as much as we want to gripe about the nightmare Electron has enabled, it still has wide reach. Building for Electron means building for Chromium, and building for Chromium often entails leveraging what is available in Chrome/Electron/etc over what is standard. These frequently overlap, but when they don’t, the blame is then placed on the browser rather than on the website (i.e. why doesn’t XYZ work on Firefox, when the reason is the website developer chose not to test/ensure it does work).
This gets very funny in some situations where visiting a website in Firefox throws a “not supported” page but switching the user-string to Chrome/Chromium results in the same website working just fine.
this is why I still have to have Chrome installed
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The are a couple desktop webkit browsers you can test on to get it working on iPhone. I had a few long-running bugs on a website that I didn’t know how to fix until I found out Epiphany/Gnome Web uses it.
They’ll pry Firefox from my cold dead hands.
Yes, it’s a sad state of affairs that Apple’s restrictions on iOS and iPadOS browsers are the only thing stopping an effective Google monopoly over web browsers. Ideally Firefox would still keep things in balance, but Mozilla doesn’t seem to know what it’s doing these days in terms of building market share - and I say that as a long time Firefox user.
I still remember the IE 6 era, and I hope we never see a single browser dominate the web again. To those wishing Apple would be forced to open up, be careful what you wish for.
Firefox is in a pickle, because unlike the IE/Firefox, where FF was winning share by the boatload against a stagnant competitor, Chrome is super actively developed, active and heavily pushed by Google. Basically FF is now kept alive by Google the way you’d keep a single competitor city alive in Civilization to ensure you game wouldn’t end with a military/domination victory. FF is a Native American reservation surrounded by white folks not giving a shit about what happens on your dust bowl.
But yes, FF for life for me!
First time someone defends Apple, and for a good reason too.
Too bad their iOS browsers never follow the guidelines as the other two do, even as chrome is kinda balling it right now…
I’ve already heard so many places tell people not to use Firefox or Safari to access their website
A website I used to frequent did that. They had good reason. Firefox simply didn’t support the CSS property that that site used to achieve its purpose. It’s a long time ago though, so I don’t remember which property that was, or know whether Firefox has since implemented it.
Hasn’t worked for me yet.
But hey, I still get Firefox out of the deal
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Chromium, privacy chromium, corporate chromium, spyware chromium, there’s so much diversity! /s
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LibreWolf is the way.
They even have a community on Lemmy! https://lemmy.ml/c/librewolf
And come 2024, you won’t be able to reliably block ads in any of them.
Firefox is our last refuge.
Which spyware chromium do you mean? Chrome or Edge?
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The misuse of this meme is one of my biggest meme pet peeves. Have people forgotten that in that scene, his vision is clear when he’s not wearing glasses? So the meme should be the other way around.
Like many memes, this one exists outside of the original oeuvre (movie, painting, etc). For instance, I have not see the movie it comes from, it wouldn’t makes sense to me if it was the other way around.
oeuvre
Today I Learned a new word.
Wouldn’t this technically work either way? Like “they all are basically the same if you blur your vision a little bit”
A more appropriate template would have been They Live, right?
Kids these days, amirite…
meme should be the other way around.
The
imgflipreference at the bottom left is there to remind us that the image should be flipped.Yeah, they should have used Rowdy Roddy Piper and his sunglasses from They Live.
Real men telnet to the web server and manually type GET commands and read the raw HTML.
Pft you still have to read the HTML? I just stick a fiberoptic in my ass and download it rectally.
Ohh look at Mr. Money Bags over here able to afford Fiber-To-The-Ass
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Guess you have enough fiber in your diet.
Man that’s pleasure + information. Man of culture!
I hate chromium.
It acts like chrome because IT IS CHROME!!! Minus the obvious branding and proprietary “Google-y bits” Unfortunately it’s the same codebase.
At least Firefox at it’s core truly differs.
And much more private, and you can make it more private by hardening it!
The only reason Chromium exists is because Google is bound by the original license when they bought it, which is copyleft. So they have to release an open source version, which is Chromium. Google Chrome is their flagship product and is proprietary and hence is the one that bears the Google branding and colours.
iOS be like: they’re all safari
Sad truth.
The illusion of choice.
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I feel like we’ve seen this before…
Least we’re got support for more fancy CSS properties nowdays, that’s something I guess
And Chromium renders transparent PNGs properly. That’s also something, I guess.
The biggest difference is that Chromium is an open source project.
Sure, it’s open-source, but Google essentially controls it. That is literally why they forked WebKit. And websites are starting to rely on Chromium’s quirks. Firefox and Safari will have to choose between following standards or Google’s quirks. Not ideal at all.
Back when I used Chrome, I kept getting bug reports about things not working on FF.
Now that I use FF, it always just works on Chrome.
Feels good to know my website is always working :)
Ah… the first repost I’ve seen on the threadiverse thus far. I hope this doesn’t become a trend.
You cant escape the fake Internet points group
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My colleague in Kronika, reposting on Internet forums is a tradition.
Perhaps a repost, but it was new to me so I can’t complain…
Lol.
- Sent from Firefox Browser
There really needs to be a “Linux” of browser engines.
Keep an eye on https://servo.org/
This… LOOKS AWESOME
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Can someone who is more knowledgeable about these things explain why I should be hyped for Servo?
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So there are a few reasons I’m personally interested in it:
- It isn’t being created as the “heart” of a browser - i.e. it is a project to develop the engine and not to develop a browser
- Supported by the Linux Foundation rather than any of the tech corps like Facebook or Google
- Written in Rust - I’m not claiming that this is good because of the language technology itself but Rust is currently very popular with lots of people wanting to learn it and contribute to projects so hopefully this inspires people to get involved with it.
- Not a KHTML/WebKit/Blink (or even a Gecko) fork
- Repo is on GitHub - Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a GitHub shill, but generally people monitor and know how to use GitHub better than Google and Mozilla’s systems. I’d honestly be just as happy if using GitLab or any other alternatives as they still confirm to that same user experience (and to be fair WebKit is also on GitHub).
And none of those touch on the technology itself which, honestly, I’m not experienced enough to speak on why it is as good as/better/worse than KHTML/WebKit/Blink or Gecko. Words and phrases like “memory safety”, “parallelizing” and “performance” are thrown around but I’ll leave that to the judgement of those who know better. You might like to have a look at some of the links in https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Browser-Engine-Research if you are interested in that front.
Isn’t that gecko, Firefox’s engine?
From what I understand, Gecko was a terrible engine from the get-go. It is also difficult to work with, and had a lot of idiosyncrasies that made hard to build anything that isn’t just a clone of Firefox. There’s a reason why Apple used KHTML as the basis of Safari and not Gecko. Even Brave is based off of Chromium, and the founder of Brave is one of Mozilla’s founders!
So apparently no, Gecko is not it. We need something closer to a pure browser engine that is open source.
The current Firefox engine is so much better than before the rewrite. It was literally multiple magnitudes slower than Chrome.
The above commenter is not talking about speed. At least it’s not the main point.
No, chromium is the Linux of browsers.
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Are we defining software based on being open source or the ethics of Google? I never said they were a good company, but if we are operating on the ability for someone to take the code and make it their own then yes, it’s effectively the “Linux of browsers.”
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When that source, open or otherwise, is unilaterally controlled by Google, that doesn’t really mean much
No, it’s not. It’s open source and can be modified from Google’s baseline to be free of their restrictions by anyone who cares to put in the work, like Brave and Vivaldi.
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In every way Linux has the potential to in a world where 99% of people would rather just use Windows, sure.
Most people are just going to use Chrome and don’t give a shit. If you’re developing/using a different browser then yeah you probably have the ability to significantly impact the way web browsing happens going forward. As any fork of chromium is it’s own thing and has the ability to become the new standard.
I’d argue that’s what Gecko is tbh
Well, if you’re on linux, there’s gnome web, but, It’s not very good
Is that not what Chromium is? An open source browser that anyone can adapt to suit their needs.
People are worried that Google controls the project. Anyone using Chromium is basically making their own version of Chrome but with extra features.
Which means they don’t fucking understand how browsers work.
Anyone can make a new fork of chromium, Vivaldi has created their own ad and tracker blocking that doesn’t rely on Google or the manifest v3 change that broke ad blocking on chromium for everyone else.
You don’t have to rely on Google for shit if you’re committed to making the fork your own.
And what happens when your fork diverges too much? That will be maintenance nightmare, good luck with that.
How is it any different from developing a new Linux distro?
If that’s your metaphore, then the browser engine is the kernel. Have you ever seen a Linux distro forking the kernel and taking it into a different direction? It’s always just (relatively) minor changes, if any, so that keeping up with the upstream kernel is possible. Mostly a matter of built-in drivers, and a security feature here and there.
It’s exactly what chromium is.
Claiming there’s a chromium monopoly is like claiming cars have an internal combustion engine monopoly.
We have that, it’s called chromium.
Recently switched over to mull browser. Fork of the Firefox browser, works great so far. Also if you are unsure of the security of your browser, could use the website, browseraudit.com, that rates your current browsers. Runs 100+ against several tests and reports back.
What’s the fork have under it’s belt that makes you like it? I just tried Firefox again and it lacks a few nice features I’m used to, but overall seems pretty quick. It didn’t want to stay logged in but that could have been operator error on my part.
Nothing is worse than seeing chromium-based browser users fight other chromium-based browser users. You are all using the same fucking thing!
“It’s funny to see people who use cars with V-8’s argue about other models and makes of cars with V-8’s, you’re all using the same fucking thing!”
See how absolutely stupid as fuck that sounds? Cause all cars are different even though they use virtual identical model of engines? That’s what you sound like.
I believe it would be a valid concern, if those V-8 engines were all designed and manufactured by the same company. Sure, one could modify it’s design to suit their needs, including removing things they may not like about the base design, but that can’t be sustainable when those changes won’t be supported by mechanics, and when companies using those cars forbid the use of cars with modified engines.
Firefox is the best. There is only Firefox.
