I am actually thinking a lot about changing my current job at a reasonably big fintech company.
Background: I am an intermediate developer who joined this company about 1 and a half years ago. Before that I worked at another medium sized local company for about 6 months, and before that I worked 1 and a half years at a local start-up which was my first job as a dev.
Reasons for leaving current job:
- I feel like no manager / senior engineer cares about my growth here. I have not had a 1-on-1 in 5+ months (my team finished our last project, my previous manager jumped ship even before it, and after that there was an organizational re-shuffle and the manager in my new team is soon leaving so he DGAF, with no replacement in sight). Senior engineers are too busy to even think about it. If it continues this way I am sure I’ll be overlooked for promotion next review cycle (I know promo is not guaranteed but with no Manager to work with towards promo and put up my case to higher ups promo seems really difficult)
- I am absolutely NOT loving the current project (it’s basically replacing old code with new, and by old I mean 20-25+ years old code which no one in the org knows how it even works).
- I do NOT like the tech stack in the new project (it’s Java, a language I did not want to work with. The previous project was with JS which I was more comfortable in). Ideally I would love to work with Rust or Elixir or JS/TS.
- Despite finishing the previous project on time, my team got paltry raises and 1 promo (from a junior to mid, which is seen as auto in the company).
- I want to work hands-on on a fast-paced project and build something cool, deploy it, feel closer to the users and the product, rather than being a small cog in a huge wheel.
- I want a remote job, the company is bent on hybrid, which while not enforced strictly, I am sure they are monitoring which will come into play next performance review.
I realize my current job also has positives:
- pay & benefits are good
- work life balance is good
- no pressure most of the time
- teammates are good (it’s more siloed work now in the new team where I feel some engineers hide information from others just to get the edge, but overall good teammates).
Changing jobs too frequently will also make me look bad to future prospective employers, but at this point I am just not feeling the connection to the project and to the team anymore, with no one to talk honestly to. (and coz of recent organization re-shuffle zero chance of change in project). My original plan was to leave this company, if I had to, after getting a promo, but that now feels very distant, and with me being demotivated, even more so.
Am I thinking of switching too early?
I knew people who switched after 6 months, it’s never too early. Focus on your own interests first over the company.
Agreed. At 6 months, if I’m doing my job well enough (sometimes I am not for sure) I’m looking for paid training, or a raise. If not, leveraging leaving is a very realistic move.
I’ve worked at 5 different companies in the last 5 years since finishing University and it hasn’t been an issue with recruiters. I’ve been able to almost triple the salary I got in my first job. I’m hoping to stay a while at my current place, but you never know how things turn out. When you feel like the job is unhealthy for you or that you have better prospects elsewhere, there’s no reason to stay.
Employers are not loyal towards employees and will fire them without blinking an eye the moment they need to prop up their stock value. I don’t see why employees should feel any different towards employers. It’s business.
The current cs job market is really bad, but it’s expected to pick up towards the end of this year and the start of the next one. So maybe it would be better to hold off until December before looking for new jobs. It would also give you two years at your current job which looks better on your resume.
Yes, that crossed my mind. I can also use that time to prepare for interviews while keeping an eye on the job market & pick and choose an opportunity that’s better for me.
for someone who has not been in the job market, why is it bad? Over saturated due to all the tech layoffs or other reasons?
Over saturation does seem to be the main issue.
Like others have said, eighteen months is fine. As is any other time unit - unless it forms a pattern. Leaving a job after two days is fine as a one-off, but if you consistently job hop every six months your resume will raise eyebrows in a bad way.
That said, two years give or take is pretty common in our industry. Nobody’s going to raise an eyebrow at 18 months.
Some interview advice - when they ask why you’re looking, don’t discuss things the company is doing wrong. It makes you sound negative and I’ve witnessed more than one interview board that decided not to hire somebody based largely on their complaints about their old job! A lot of your points above are already listing out things you want, which is great! Use those! For the rest, flip your concerns around and discuss the positive aspect you’re looking for.
E.g. instead of something like, “My managers don’t care about my career development”, say something like, “I want to find a place where I can grow my skills to the next level”.
Finally, the job market isn’t as crazy hot as during the pandemic, but it’s still not horrible. There’s work to be found, even if the salaries aren’t as high as a couple years ago. If you want remote work, focus on SMB companies, a lot of them are happier to let go of renting real estate vs Fortune 500 corps that own or have 20 year leases on idle real estate.
Best of luck to you!
Thank you so much
18 months is the Remington limit at Bank of America and Wells Fargo - they terminate you and let you know when you start that it’s going to happen. It’s normal in fintech. But don’t change without a funded and secured offer.
yes, not gonna quit without a signed offer letter in hand…
Thought I might follow up since I had an interview today - I never stop interviewing - and was asked about duration. My off-the-cuff response was “if a company invests in its employees, offers growth and promotes internally, then I will work for a place longer. If it does not and only offers a dead-end role with no appreciable growth, then I will look for that opportunity elsewhere.”
I recently left a job at 1 year in and while I was asked about it the ol’ “Overworked and underappreciated” response worked well.
I started looking for new jobs about 10 months in and felt I could be really picky about my destination because I was already secure. Having a job gives you a much better position to negotiate from, even if it’s only in your own head. I also found my former job much more bearable while also doing interviews elsewhere- it’s a lot easier to laugh about colleage troubles or 25 year old technical debt when they won’t be your problems soon.
Nope. I wouldn’t want my resume to have 3 shorts in a row, but just one won’t hurt.
