• theodewere
    link
    fedilink
    331 year ago

    of course they’re courting the far right… those guys are easy to buy…

    • nakal
      link
      fedilink
      111 year ago

      I’m not particularly for the Green Party in Germany, but Mrs. Baerbock seemed to do something right to anger some Chinese officials that much that she needed to take public transportation for a meeting.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        0
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        She’s “green”, so if she didn’t do it out of conviction, they were shaming her hypocrisy, I’m ok with that lol

  • AutoTL;DRB
    link
    fedilink
    English
    161 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    AfD co-leader Alice Weidel and her Bundestag federal parliamentary colleagues, Petr Bystron and Peter Felser, spent almost a week in Beijing and Shanghai at the end of June.

    Upon their return, Felser told DW that he supposed it was his party’s good results in the German polls which had sparked the interest of the Chinese.

    She spent six years living there on a German Academic Exchange Service scholarship and completed her doctorate on the Chinese pension system, before moving on to work for Goldman Sachs.

    Geopolitically, said Schroeder, the AfD sees the traditional Western ties with the United States, which it regards as hegemonic, as having past their use-by date.

    The member of the European Parliament from Saxony, who aligns himself with the right-wing side of his party, has attracted attention in the past for multiple pro-China statements.

    For example: The party has opposed the use of components from the Chinese communications equipment supplier Huawei in the expansion of 5G mobile internet services in Germany.


    I’m a bot and I’m open source!

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    15
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    It’s already a hexbear fest in here. There is zero point posting anything about China or Russia - every comment is trounced on by hexbears.

    Yes yes, if I didn’t want your opinion I should have stayed on Reddit.

    Yes, yes, you got here first.

    Yes, yes, I’m a brainwashed liberal.

    Yes, yes, you’re actually one of the oldest Lemmy communities but you’ve only recently started federating.

    Yes, yes, you’re seeing the light and can see through the western media’s bias and the rest of us are just mindless sheep.

    Yes, yes, China is great, Russia is fantastic, Ukraine should pursue for peace and roll over.

    Yes, yes, you never allowed downvoting so you’re used to just comment and that’s why there’s so many hexbears in here. And you’re definitely not Russian or CCP farmed trolls.

    Yes, yes, all those things are true.

    I’m sure I’m missing a few, but I’m pretty close to a hexbear “Bingo!” I think.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      11 year ago

      Now you have some idea of how we feel on Reddit. The difference here is that karma doesn’t matter. And hexbearers can’t even downvote your comments anyway. You’re just complaining that you have to listen to another point of view.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      -31 year ago

      It’s already a hexbear fest in here. There is zero point posting anything about China or Russia - every comment is trounced on by hexbears

      Lmaooo go cry about it I guess

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    14
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    I’m loving this, AfD has been collaborating with the far-right party in our country, which accuses everyone else of being filthy commies, it would be a beautiful irony (in the unlikely event this were to be true) if they started talking up the CPC because russia can’t fund them anymore hahahaha

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        -3
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Meh, our democracy isn’t even that threatening to China (Taiwan’s is, it showcases a viable alternative to the CPC), they just had to leave us to our “contradictions”, they’d keep booming and we’d just keep buying their stuff while we eat each other alive, if China is doing this, they gotta be really desperate to turn Europe fascist again.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    111 year ago

    Is everything world news on lemmy about China? Like I’ve seen everything from crap articles saying China has a declining population like its a bad thing, or how the west looks like shit compared.

    Like, it’s nothing racist or offensive. Not to me at least. Just lots and lots of it being the primary topic in ways that I’m ain’t too familiar with.

    • @[email protected]OP
      link
      fedilink
      321 year ago

      China is very active player and driving up events, especially as they may be working with nazi wannabes in the German government

      • alternative_factor
        link
        fedilink
        191 year ago

        Tankies: China is a world power!! It drives so many world events!!
        Tankies: Nooo how dare China get in the press (good, bad, and neutral).

        They feel like any China coverage is inherently imperialist, even when its “China breaks fusion record”, that is meddling in China’s internal affairs to them.

        • @GregorGizeh
          link
          18
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          Tankies are so fucking weird to me, and I would consider myself a progressive socialist as well.

          How can they so unapologetically support Russia and China, when both nations are objectively not socialist in any sense of the word.

          China does state capitalism, just because they have a one party state installed by the communist party doesn’t automatically mean they still are. All that is left is intense authoritarianism, with dystopian ambitions on global hegemony.

          Russia is a failed state in the grasp of a kleptocratic oligarchy, with an extreme degree of corruption and disturbing moral decay in all levels of society. The only thing communist about it today is the old soviet ordnance they make their conscripts die in at the ukranian front.

          Modern China and Russia are antithetical to actual leftist ideals, and any tankie supporting them just screams misinformed idiot or foreign propaganda shill and should be dismissed by default.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            41 year ago

            Because they had grievances about the west, which we all have if we’re being honest, but were successfully coerced from people into this completely bizarre state of mind into thinking that China and Russia are some sort of garden paradise utopian societies of peace, love and sunshine, not the reality of both countries being insanely unhinged places.

            In both China and Russia, there is no rule of law, no respect for basic human rights or respect for anyone’s culture or ethnic background, complete control of the press, anti-LGBTQ+ hate that is literally put out from the government, anti…

            Well lets just put it this way, Chinese Nationalists and Russian Nationalists make the KuKluxKlan look like Bernie Sanders voters in comparison, that’s how insane these people are and the respective governments do everything they can to keep that silent and breaking out into the international community.

            I know people from China who barely escaped that country and there’s just endless horror stories that you can find all over youtube

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            21 year ago

            This is just ignorance. You can easily answer the questions you have by reading, watching videos, or listening to podcasts. You could even learn by just talking to people. It’s not like they hide it. It’s not like they don’t literally study history, draw from a wide range of analyses, cite relevant texts, formulate arguments, and constantly communicate about them. That fact that it’s weird to you that they hold positions that you don’t understand says way more about your ignorance than it does about their positions.

            • @GregorGizeh
              link
              -4
              edit-2
              1 year ago

              So you replied to the first sentence and ignored the paragraphs in which I describe why supporting either is misguided to malicious.

              I understand the arguments that are constantly being spewed about the evil western imperialists, and they are of course true for the most part. Only that this doesn’t in turn validate or justify the human rights violations, atrocities or even genocides committed by either Russia or China; they cannot be guides or aides on the path to the desired egalitarian utopia.

              If either of them had their way, would that do us in the west any good? The answer is no.

              China desires a global hegemony under their sino-centric ideology, and to extend its control structures outside its own national borders. They employ the same imperialist strategies and methods to acquire influence and resource access in emerging countries as the west has or is doing. Russia currently displays its own imperial ambitions by its war of aggression on Ukraine. At least they don’t even bother with any greater good pretense, and are straight up about it.

              The only real option is to consolidate the west in ethical and ideological opposition to these totalitarian parodies of their former goals, to create a new economic system that works for the people and not the reverse, without sacrificing our freedoms and individuality in the process.

              One that truly represents what socialism is about.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                31 year ago

                Holy shit talk about proving me right. China’s “sino-centric ideology”… Is that the same ideology that has led the world’s most advanced multi-cultural state organizing systems with autonomous regions for large ethnic groups and over 57 different ethinicities formally recognized and developed? Is it the same one where Tibetans learn their native language from grade school through university? That sino-centric ideology? If that ideology came to the West would it do us good? Abso-fucking-lutely. Because in the West, there’s an ACTUAL (as opposed to imagined) desire for an ethnostate that is enforced through genocide in all of its worst forms. There are native American tribes that have fewer than 10 fluent speakers of their language and they are all over 70. Your claim of a sino-centric ideology is projection.

                China does not desire global hegemony. That would be stupid. Why would it be stupid? We are watching what happens to global hegemons in real-time. They are unsustainable, completely unstable, and involve contradictions that will tear them apart. China’s entire founding principles are based on socio-political theory that details this at length. China is not trying to become the next US because it knows that way lies ruin.

                The idea that the only solution is to do literally exactly what you’ve been doing for 600 years, consolidating the West to dominate the globe, which it already does, destroy and carve up all opposition, like it already did, and ultimately subjugate, again, the majority of the world’s population to protect the minority, is just full on mask-off fascism…again.

        • AmberPrince
          link
          fedilink
          121 year ago

          For real. The tankie problem here is crazy. I can say something like China is trying to deny freedom of navigation of international waters on the South China Sea and somehow it becomes “BuT aMeRiCa”. I don’t get it.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            101 year ago

            I’ve been seeing this a lot from instances like hexbear and lemmygrad and my take is either cult members, paid trolls, brainwashed persons prone to pavlovian responses, or all of the above.

            I just wish that as a user I could block instances.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              61 year ago

              It’s definitely all of the above.

              Hexbear is particularly vexing to me. According to the fediverse observer they’re less than a month old and yet have already become one of the most active instances.

              • LiberalSoCalist
                link
                fedilink
                91 year ago

                hexbear has existed and been building their userbase for 3 years, but during that time their codebase diverged greatly from mainline lemmy to include in-house tweaks and features which made it not possible to federate, and it’s only within the past month that they got everything compatible

            • Maestro
              link
              fedilink
              41 year ago

              On kbin you can block domains. It’s the next best thing.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              21 year ago

              This isn’t unique to the far-left, though. It’s a problem throughout the entire political spectrum.

              It’s rather dangerous to be creating echo chambers in a democracy, though. Democracy lives off of discourse between opposing views.

              • AmberPrince
                link
                fedilink
                51 year ago

                Democracy lives off of discourse between opposing views.

                The inference here is that both views are of equivalent merit which is very much not true. This idea is called The Paradox of Tolerance. If a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually ceased or destroyed by the intolerant.

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  31 year ago

                  Except… That’s not what democracy relies on. Democracy relies on discourse of views, even if they are unpopular. Tolerating only the prevailing opinion isn’t a democracy, it’s an autocracy.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                -11 year ago

                I would not call them far left tbh. There’s something else about them that irks me. It honestly feels more North Korean to me and that ain’t left by any stretch of the imagination. It seems to be more authoritarian minded.

                • AmberPrince
                  link
                  fedilink
                  21 year ago

                  Agreed. Tankies are right-wing authoritarians in that communism is supposed to be stateless. They bitch about US imperialism but are always very quiet about China’s actions in Africa. It’s frustrating because like I get it. America has some pretty deep problems but to think that somehow it is worse than China is mindlessly reactionary.

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            3
            edit-2
            1 year ago

            LOL, I just don’t even know what to say here. You do realize that when the Europeans subjugated China it was, in part, through naval superiority? Specifically, China did not have a blue ocean navy. China didn’t emerge from that subjugation until 1949, and then didn’t actually manage to do much more than stabilize it’s society in the subsequent years. FFS, Hong Kong was only returned to China from British domination and occupation in the late 1990s.

            China’s navy was developed under these conditions, after WW2, after the US nuked 2 civilian cities in the Pacific, after the US became the world super power, after the end of the USSR. China is the one who has been denied freedom of navigation in the South China Sea. When China pushes against the psychotic imperialist West and it’s proxies, that is not China denying freedom of navigation anymore than slaves revolting against their owners is the slaves denying their owners peace and prosperity.

            The entire concept of freedom of navigation is a relational one. Raising points about China while ignoring the relationship with the world super power who, under Obama, decided to move 60% of its military assets to the Pacific Theater, is just anemic thinking.

            • AmberPrince
              link
              fedilink
              -41 year ago

              Hey look. A tankie that has no idea what the fuck they are talking about. I am shocked. Territorial waters are defined as 12 nautical miles typically from the shore. These are defined by the United Nations that China is a part of and agreed to. There is a reason why China is literally building fake islands to increase it’s territorial water claim there.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                3
                edit-2
                1 year ago

                Territorial waters are defined as 12 nautical miles typically from the shore

                BY WHOM IS IT DEFINED? You don’t need to answer the question here. We all know the answer. It’s the “rules-based international order”, you know, the one invented by white genociders that dominated and subjugated 80% of the world population. But do go on about how the definition of territorial waters is perfectly compatible with the US encircling China with nuclear capabilities, occupying much of the region, colonizing and subjugating various indigenous peoples on various islands so they can test weapons and prepare for war. It’s CHINA that’s being a problem.

                There is a reason why China is literally building fake islands to increase it’s territorial water claim there.

                Awww, what’s the matter? Are you upset when the fake rules that whitey made to dominate the globe are sometimes used by non-whites to game the system in small ways that show everyone just how vacuous and bankrupt the West really is?

                How about you focus on things like why China is even the UN at all, how the US refused to let the PRC into the UN and instead decided that the KMT should be at the UN despite the KMT prosecuting the White Terror and mass murdering people by the thousands for so much as suggesting that maybe they should end the civil war officially and integrate with China now that the PLA had demonstrated they had the overwhelming majority of popular support.

                • AmberPrince
                  link
                  fedilink
                  -51 year ago

                  I like that in all of your rambling, despite directly quoting me, you carefully evaded explaining why China would want to build fake islands and expand it’s territorial waters.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        -1
        edit-2
        1 year ago

        Nazi wannabes with 13% of the vote…

        I mean, it’s not like China is only working with AfB. They recently invited School to Beijing.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          51 year ago

          Nazis, not Nazi wannabees, with current polls having them at 20% nationwide and up to 33% in some states. You know, the ”we should found an SA [the paramilitary Nazi organisation] and clean up"-party. The party whose youth organization is officialy declared right-wing extremist.

    • AnonTwo
      link
      fedilink
      19
      edit-2
      1 year ago

      …?

      Like 9 articles on my front page are US. 1 is Ukraine. 1 is China, and the rest are neutral.

      Are you maybe just taking particular notice to the China articles?

      edit: since I realize this was specific to m/worldnews…

      2 China post
      2 Ecudor post
      3 US post (1 pertaining to Italy as well)
      1 iranian post
      1 French post
      1 Japan post

      I stopped there as this is actually getting redundant at this point, there’s very little trend among the posts as of this time.

    • SeaJ
      link
      fedilink
      -61 year ago

      .ml stands for Marxist-Leninist so for some reason there is generally a lot of praise for China which is closer to fascism than either of those idealogies.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      51 year ago

      But also not in there year surprising. Those self proclaimed “patriots” are always happy to sell out their country.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    51 year ago

    Oh great, even more lies from German state media. This AfD group had no official invitation from the Chinese government, nor did they meet with Chinese government officials. DW is really trying their best to push horseshoe theory on us, and it would be laughable if people didn’t take it seriously.

  • o_d [he/him]
    link
    fedilink
    31 year ago

    Clickbait headline. It doesn’t mention who they mean when they say “China”. Is it a high ranking official? Some nobody entrepreneur? It also doesn’t say anything about why they might be “court[ing]” the AfD. It’s really more about populists doing what populists do and aligning along nationalist lines to the benefit of the national bourgeoisie and the detriment of the American empire. They’re right that disintegration with China would be a disaster.

  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    2
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    The only reason China can buy the AfD is because Russia’s checks suddenly started bouncing.