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    4 months ago

    Time to buy shares in postal services. They are bound to make a come-back

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    Well we either accept this, get a movement going where we give the AI millions of deliberately false SMS to ingest, or start using a better messaging solution. Not WhatsApp or Signal.

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      @quokka

      I know I’m going to regret asking this, but why not Signal?

      Yes, I know it has the disadvantage of not being decentralised, and it’s not anonymous as a phone number is required.

      However, for the *vast majority* of people, it is the simplest and easiest solution to gaining E2EE comms.

      @Davriellelouna

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        Signal is objectively a far better choice than SMS or WhatsApp and all the options I’m aware of. I dunno what OP is angling at either.

        The only easy to use E2E encrypted chats are centrally managed, eg: Signal - and even getting friends and family members to move to that is hard.

        While a decentralized fully open source self-hosted solution would be great - that shits just not possible for 90% of people. Apps succeed or fail due to barrier of entry and ease of use, and the decentralized options typically have far less user-friendly apps, far fewer users, and often require tech know-how like choosing a federated server or even configuring your own online storage or server (egs: Matrix, Briar, StoneAge). Some bring up Session as another alternative while failing to realize it is also centralized if you want push notifications (which most users do).

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          @pulsewidth

          Yeah! I hear you, especially regarding ‘onboarding’ often being a barrier. (Thankfully, Signal is bloody easy.)

          My own attitude to family and friends is to say, “If ya wanna communicate with me, these are the acceptable options…”

          If they don’t wish to use appropriate methods, that’s fine, but they can’t message me. Bugger 'em!

          I encourage the use of Signal as a 'gateway drug"… I mean, “app,” and several people have subsequently added other private messaging apps as options.

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            Same, it’s fair to have means of communicating that you just don’t want to use - and I let that go both ways as is fair. But if both my boomer parents are ok on Signal (with some initial help with notifications) then it makes it a pretty weak argument when acquaintances much younger than them say ‘bro Signal is too hard, I uninstalled it’. For them I say ‘No worries: email, call or SMS me if you need me’.

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      Let’s hope that either they come to the correct conclusion and do have some enforceable legislation; or the bubble bursts and the whole AI Bullshit Scam looses its funding.

      Telstra can’t sell everyone’s SMSs if there is no one buying.

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        And Telstra can’t sell everyone’s encrypted messages if we can collectively move on from SMS.

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    When there is nothing more to dig out of the ground we shall mine the population instead !

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    PC modelling showed that even the most conservative estimate was that AI would deliver a $116bn boost to the economy over the next decade.

    King said that this translated into a $4,300 kicker to the average Australian’s real wage in 10 years’ time, and that the actual benefits could be much larger.

    fark sounds good

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      I think you’re forgetting we live under capitalism, every job that can be removed, will be removed.

      Automation will only end up being a net positive for society if we radically alter our economic system.

      Automation to this level is not the same as industrialisation or the motormobile, we’re not creating nearly enough jobs to offset those that would be lost in the process.

      All at a time at which 2 incomes barely covers living expenses for many people, where 1 used to cover a house, a wife and 3 kids.

      $4,300 extra over 10 years? Press X to doubt AI will have anything to do with it.

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        Automation to this level is not the same as industrialisation or the motormobile, we’re not creating nearly enough jobs to offset those that would be lost in the process.

        I thought employment rate has been at record lows these last couple years?

        All at a time at which 2 incomes barely covers living expenses for many people, where 1 used to cover a house, a wife and 3 kids.

        If you take out housing payments/rents as they’re due to the housing crisis that’s definitely not true

        If you’re on 2 incomes and struggling with a paid off house you’re doing something wrong

        Standards were very different in the era you’re talking about, there was no eating out, there were no yearly holidays, there was no 8 different subscription services, 3 ipads, 5 tv’s, 3 computers, 2 cars, a huge house etcetcetc

        Especially if you’re a tradie or mining related, you’re probably making absolute bank.

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          I thought employment rate has been at record lows these last couple years?

          We are in a service economy, which hasn’t been as exposed to mechanical automation. You think there are still going to be as many jobs in the service industry of we automate it all? You think the market gives two shits about human dignity and keeping us employed?

          We’re already shipping as many service jobs as we can to cheaper places. You think this doesn’t have an effect on our future employment prospects?

          If you take out housing payments/rents as they’re due to the housing crisis that’s definitely not true

          Are you hearing yourself?

          If you’re on 2 incomes and struggling with a paid off house you’re doing something wrong

          This is such a brain-dead, out of touch take.

          How exactly are people, who don’t own a home, supposed to get to that point? With piles, and piles of debt, for houses that have gone up, way, way, way beyond inflation.

          If they have no relatives who already own property, they are even more truly fucked.

          I moved out of home in 2016. I worked 2 days a week on the weekend while studying. I did not apply for Centrelink and managed to get by because I managed to find a pretty cheap place to rent.

          This shit is not possible today. And even in 2016 rent was already starting to become expensive I just got lucky.

          Housing is THE problem of our generation.

          I’ve managed to get “on the property ladder” but we’re quickly pulling it up behind us for many, many people.

          And the fact you think corporations, who clearly do not have humanity’s best interest at heart, will actually drive real wage growth, with AI, is frankly hilarious.

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            yes but the housing crisis is a whole problem in and of itself not related to ai

            houses were unaffordable and increasingly unaffordable as you said years before chatgpt3.5 was even released

            somehow we have a larger population than ever, more immigrants than ever but still

            Mr Crost said Australia needed many more skilled tradespeople — including carpenters, electricians and plumbers — if it was to have any realistic hope of meeting the 1.2 million new homes goal.

            “We are currently 83,000 tradies short,” he said.

            https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-06/cotality-says-building-delays-not-approvals-holding-up-housing/105614902

            if we can get house prices back down i think we’d in far better nick than we were previously

            Post-war Australia posed its own set of challenges such as housing shortages, continued rationing, economic instability and general unrest.

            https://www.homestolove.com.au/the-block/1940s-houses-australia-21692/

            lol seems like some things never change