Police are still searching for a suspect.

    • Franzia
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      Who are you talking to? I’ve seen maybe two conservatives on Lemmy, and they had open minds.

      • @[email protected]
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        Maybe the poster is talking more generally, not specifically to conservatives on Lemmy?

        They’re just, putting the message out there, but it’s posted here because it relates to the subject.

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      • @PrinceWith999Enemies
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        Probably the people suing over the right to drive drunk as long as you don’t crash into someone and using the fact that most people who drive drunk do not get into accidents should get a portion of the blame.

      • GladiusB
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        What are you implying? That the person isn’t at fault?

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          • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】
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            Bro cars have a useful purpose other than killing people. Guns don’t provide nearly the same utility as a car, and arguably no positive utility at all, in modern society.

            • @[email protected]
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              Don’t forget they are also heavily and continuously regulated to reduce the danger to society whenever possible.

              Isn’t it incredible what you can accomplish when you don’t have a self-absorbed death cult insisting they know best?

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            • @RickTofu
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              Soo who said cars didn’t have a useful purpose?

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          • @[email protected]
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            We had this conversation actually, about a hundred years ago, that’s why you can’t just buy a car at a car show and drive it on public roads without a test, a license, and without following the rules. If Henry Ford fought more vigorously at the time, we wouldn’t have this rules, and then all the excessive deaths would be his fault also. In fact, a lot of the problems with car culture in US can be traced to specific people and companies, and they have a big portion of responsibilities for excessive deaths.
            And that’s talking about a car, a car’s primary usage is not a murder. You don’t need to overcome any of those hurdles to obtain and operate a firearm in a lot of cases, and the firearm’s primary purpose is to kill, so it’s even less excusable.

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              • GladiusB
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                You may not. But many gun owners do. Especially older guns.

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              • @[email protected]
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                And then we come to the second part of it. Why do you ever need to carry a firearm in public, what purpose can it server in a society, what problem it solves

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  • @[email protected]
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    More than 4,000 children and teenagers have been shot this year, according to data published by the Gun Violence Archive (GVA). At least 6,170 children and teenagers were shot in 2022, according to GVA.

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      Honestly it’s pretty disingenuous to lump children and teenagers together, especially if talking about all the way to 17 or even 19

        • @Falmarri
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          I said even if it’s up to 17 it’s misleading. A lot of those 16, 17 year old shooting victims are gang members being shot in shoot outs. Which is a fundamentally different problem from a 9 year old being shot. And lumping those things together does a disservice.

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            well first you coulda just checked yourself.

            second, why? a 16 year old shooting other 16 year olds are children killing, that is still a problem related to guns

      • @Ensign_Crab
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        Honestly it’s pretty disingenuous to lump children and teenagers together, especially if talking about all the way to 17 or even 19

        Hi, Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz.

          • @horrorslice
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            Teenagers are still children. They don’t have developed brains. Also take into account that teenagers are growing up more slowly than they did in the past. It is not disingenuous to put them together in the same statistic.

            Commenter below mentions that the statistic used is Americans under the age of 18. They are not adults mentally or legally. They are children.

            • @Falmarri
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              They don’t have developed brains

              24 year olds don’t have developed brains either. What’s your point?

              It is not disingenuous to put them together in the same statistic.

              Absolutely it is

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        The data referenced in that quote is linked in the article. When following the link, it specifies “Americans under the age of 18”

        Full info: The Gun Violence Archive

        Americans under the age of 18 killed or injured by gunfire since 2014:

        2014: 2,861

        2015: 3,378

        2016: 3,820

        2017: 3,982

        2018: 3,543

        2019: 3,825

        2020: 5,159

        2021: 5,705

        2022: 6,170

        2023: 4,319 [in 235 days]

        • @Astroturfed
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          Just like quarterly profits the peak of human society aims for a high score every single time. Numbers must go up. ALL NUMBERS must go up. Always. Capitalism is the best.

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          He doesn’t care. The “they include 19 year olds” is just the talking point he’s been taught when those figures are mentioned, because sometimes they’re described as “children”, rather than “children and teenagers”, which means they can attack the data as misleading.

          There’s no concious thought behind it, it’s just trigger and response. That’s why they’ll say the same things even when the data is correctly described.

          When they do try and come up with their own excuses, they’re usually terrible. I’ve genuinely had one argue that “17 year olds aren’t teenagers” by claiming that when the word “teenagers” was coined, it was only supposed to mean 13 and 14 year olds and we were somehow being dishonest for using the definition that absolutely everyone in the entire world works with.

          But they don’t need their arguments to make sense or their lies about keeping people safe to come true because they intend to drag the conversation out forever.

          Unfortunately for them, the kids who grew up among the school shootings will vote one day and they’ll have no issue removing the second amendment entirely.

        • @Falmarri
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          “17 year old gang members killing each other is a different problem from 9 year olds being shot and shouldn’t be lumped together”. Crazy, right?

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            Oh I understand now, you think the 17 year olds don’t count because they’re black. Here I was thinking you were reprehensible.

            I guess you haven’t looked into how many of those 17 year old statistics took their fathers poorly secured gun (that was for “keeping his family safe” of course) and blew their brains out in the living room.

            Let’s hope the poor innocent gun didn’t get scuffed or scratched when it fell to the floor since it’s clear what was more important.

            I wonder how many of them used to be “responsible gun owners” who taught their children to “treat guns with respect”, not knowing they were teaching their kid how to load and fire the round that would kill them?

            Oh well, I’m sure it will never happen to you and I’m sure those fathers never thought it would never happen to them.

            • @Falmarri
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              Oh I understand now, you think the 17 year olds don’t count because they’re black

              Lol wtf? What the shit are you talking about?

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                There’s no need to be coy – even the most deeply stupid Americans know what terms like “gang members”, “thugs” and “urban crime” are innuendo for, because deeply stupid Americans are the target demographic.

                If you want to get upset at people saying it out loud, you’re going to have to dig up Lee Atwater and throw a tantrum at his rotting, cancerous corpse.

                • @Falmarri
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                  This is probably the stupidest comment I’ve ever read. Are you suggesting it’s impossible to talk about gangs without it being racist?

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        The last time I saw a difference between an 18-year-old, a 17-year-old, a 16-year-old, and a child younger than that was when I was 18

        • @Falmarri
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          So you’re saying a 17 year old is the same as a 9 year old?

          • Bo7a
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            I love how these brainless talking points from rightwing morons stick out on lemmy. It makes it so easy to know who to block with a single comment.

            • @Falmarri
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              Because there can’t possibly be left wing people who would rather not cede our guns to the government. Nope. Must be right wing

              • Bo7a
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                Regardless of whether you are left or right leaning, the talking point is a rightwing baby.

              • @jj4211
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                How does trying to prattle on about not liking grouping 17 year olds together with 9 year olds a pro-gun argument? That would only even vaguely make sense if your stance was “yeah, but 17 year olds deserve to get shot and killed”

  • @Treczoks
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    I think it’s time to change the American National Anthem to “Another One Bites the Dust”.

    • LucasWaffyWaf
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      America: Only thing less valuable than the lives of our kids are the lives of foreign kids!

      • @tym
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        Excuse me… we don’t say foreign kids around here… we prefer the term “future veterans of america” thank you very much

  • Franzia
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    More than 4,000 children and teenagers have been shot this year, according to data published by the Gun Violence Archive (GVA). At least 6,170 children and teenagers were shot in 2022, according to GVA.

    https://nitter.net/GunDeaths/status/1686388657488572416#m

    Can we actually expect 2100 more children to receive a gunshot wound this year?

    • @MJKee9
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      That’s utter fucking ridiculous!

      The 12 year old should have had a gun so she could’ve shot the incoming bullet.

      • @[email protected]
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        What kinda crap is this?

        By 12 they should have a katana and the training to merely cut the bullet in half.

  • @negativeyoda
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    Florida is really not having a good go of things. Christ

    • Franzia
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      This was a hateful and insane racist, I suspect the intentions of this shooting above to be less extreme.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】
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        What was insane about him?

        He was apparently lucid and intentional. He was just a violent racist that got whipped up by conservative media and politicians, and radicalized to kill Americans.

        Everyone can see this coming from conservative rhetoric and they are proud of it.

        The shooter will probably be posthumously honored at CPAC.

        • Franzia
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          I thought so too, but he had been involuntarily held for mental health crisis for likely just a few days when he was 15, and he wrote a massive fucking manifesto. Stochastic terrorism is real, but I think in that case it affected someone who had screws loose.

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            Okay, so what gun laws are we changing so that “hateful racists with screws loose” can’t maximize their violence with minimal effort?

            Because if you look back through the parade of mass shooters, the overwhelming majority had both clear warning signs and legal firearms.