- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
- cross-posted to:
- [email protected]
A month ago, I made a post asking that c/twoXchromosomes be removed from the instance due to known concerns with the name in regards to trans people, and the mods’ stated intention not to compromise on the name. Since then, the community’s mods have gone inactive. u/[email protected] has only two posts on the website, and the most recent one is 2 months ago. u/GreatWhiteBuffalo41 has not commented on the site in 22 days, and has not been active on c/twoXchromosomes for 2 months. There have been 4 posts to the community in the time since my post about the community name a month ago. The modlog shows no mod activity in 2 months.
I would like to appeal to the admins that I may take over the community, set it to restricted mode, and make the only post on the community a sticky explaining the problems with the name and redirecting to other feminist communities across the Fediverse.
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I agree it does not look very actively moderated right now. Did you try contacting u/GreatWhiteBuffalo41 via DM?
But I think I will include this community in next month’s “community gardening” list together with other seemingly abandoned communities to see if there are any people interested in taking it over. If not we can do what you propose or just prune it.
I’ve PMed them just now. Thanks
The original subreddit was kind of a cesspool anyway. I witnessed men and women get bullied over trivial nonsense so much that I unsubbed from the original subreddit.
Considering your intention is to close the community, it might be good to have a discussion over there about who should be at the helm. If the community is largely supportive of the direction you want to take it, then great. If not, and the mods are inactive, it might be better to have someone more invested in the existing community take over.
I started that conversation a month ago and it seemed that most people agreed with me: https://lemmy.world/post/1809693?scrollToComments=true
I’m not sure it’s that clear cut. Most of the comments seem to be opposed and while you did get a lot of upvotes, there are a notable number downvotes too. Some people may have upvoted the discussion even if they don’t support a full closure. I think it’s a bit ambiguous, and might be clarified by a clearer discussion or poll. Also, the Lemmy community has shrank somewhat and who is still here may be a slightly different compared to back then.
Was this post after downvotes were enabled? I can’t remember.
If I see correctly, 6 top-level comments were not in favour, 1 was a joke and 1 I’m not sure whether it was serious or not. I would not call that “most people agreed”. I didn’t count the upvotes because people upvote for a variety of reasons. I often upvote things just because someone stated their thoughts clearly and politely. But in any case, even if most people quietly agree with you, we cannot make that conclusion from that post.
Well, I put the question to the community, and the top rated comment is a transphobic dogwhistle that claims the community ought to exclude trans women. https://lemmy.world/post/3994308
It’s not a coincidence that the community with the gender essentialist name attracted gender essentialists. This is why I asked the admins to take down the community a month ago. It’s gatekeeping and it’s against the SLRPNK code of conduct.
You put the question to the community and the community said no. The only thing left is to ask slrpnk.net to remove the community because of x, y and z, and if slrpnk.net says no, that’s it.
And, giving you the benefit of the doubt that you’re not just trolling, you should really try and reduce the unneeded namecalling. We have here a community nobody else has a major problem with, and you’re out here guns blazing calling everyone transphobic and getting into petty arguments about pedantics (atom means unsplittable, and yet atoms are very much splittable). You think that “woman” is a purely social term that has no place in biology, others think that “woman” can have multiple meanings (like a lot of words), and one of them is “biological female at birth”, and you then proceed to call them names.
Life is so much better when you don’t get out of your way to get offended by things that don’t bother anyone else by people who don’t have ill thoughts. You can use this and improve yourself a bit, or you can continue to bother people with no ill will. Either way, don’t pretend you’re speaking for the majority.
At least regarding the name of the subreddit and it’s original intentions, this post from 14yrs ago makes clear it wasn’t intended to be trans-exclusionary.
That post from 14 years ago makes it clear they knew the name was controversial and would attract transphobes 14 years ago, and they still did nothing about it. As they say, “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”. Which means: Good intentions don’t mean anything if paired with bad actions. I also have personal experiences with enbyphobia from the r/2xc mod team. Awkward The Turtle said she hated nonbinary people after she was banned from r/ennn for transphobia.
Also I know your reputation from elsewhere and I would appreciate it if you not comment on any of my posts, please. Your comment here is really solidifying your reputation and I just don’t want to deal with you.
Excuse me? I was just trying to add some context, I was not trying to make a call on whether or not they should stick around here.
I have no idea what reputation you’re alluding too but I don’t think it’s fair or reasonable to ask me to not comment on your posts. Are you accusing me of enbyphobia or transphobia for linking this? I’m NB Trans Femme. I’m disabled as well, I do not have the spare spoons to remember your specific username as well as check the OP of every post I reply too. It’s ableist to suggest that I should.
Edit: Also, if you think people should be allowed to ask others not to comment on their posts, then that is just going to be abused by trolls to shutdown opposition.
I asked you not to reply to my posts, and I blocked you, and the first thing you did was reply. No means no. I’ve seen your transphobic comments elsewhere and I do not want to discuss anything with you. If you reply to this comment I will report you for harassment.
You have gone around the fediverse calling people transphobic, including me now, based off your personal definition of transphobia. I’m a trans person, I’m non-binary and you’re trying to shutdown my ability to reply. You have been called out by me and others and have ignored what we’ve said. You don’t get to stop all opposition to your controversial posts by telling people they aren’t allowed to reply to you anymore.
Edit: Hey slrpnk.net admins, you should message ada at Blahaj about this user. She’s the admin there.
I am not interested in discussing fediverse drama with you. Stop responding. I do not want you harassing me. I asked politely to be allowed to disengage from you.
You got banned from Blahaj. You ARE the fediverse drama. I doubt the veracity of you even being a trans person at this point considering your troll tactics and calling every trans person that has disagreed with you a transphobe. You don’t get to ask every person that disagrees with you to disengage.
You cannot go around the fediverse demanding in meta communities that instances comply with your strict, narrow definition of transphobia.
You call this harassment, I call it making sure that people see your history when you create a new account and try to start drama with it.
Edit: You also cna disengage by blocking me. You’re upset I’m commenting on your post and calling you out.
I don’t want to discuss politics with you. Please allow me to disengage.
Sorry for the technical question, but how did you manage to cross-post this to the same community? Looks like you found a bug in Lemmy with this combination as it isn’t listed in /c/meta on the normal Lemmy webui.
Same thing here - using the web UI. This post showed up in my feed, but going over to c/meta it doesn’t show up.
I don’t know. I just put a link to twoXchromosomes in the link field
@HardlightCereal pointed it already out, but I think its worth mentioning in top level comment.
In the original discussion on this topic (here and here) it felt good faith and folks atleast tried to be trans inclusive from my perspective. Also the moderation at that moment took a pretty transinclusive stance, see their FAQ.
When I look at the current discussion on [email protected] it does not seem to be the same spirit. I think multiple upvoted comments are trans exclusionary and/or transphobic. None of those comments come from users that are from slrpnk.net btw
While I think this sample size is to small to judge a community with 800+ users, it still shows atleast a tendency.
A month ago, I told people that it would take constant effort from the mods to remove the transphobia a name like this attracts. It’s been a month, the mods put in zero effort, and the transphobes are running rampant. Thank you for seeing this.
Removed by mod
Who cares? Those genes are only important when you’re an embryo
No, it only adds hormones.
