I think Netflix manufactured this problem first. Originally they were going for volume so they added a lot of padding to their og shows. To the point I stopped watching (torrenting) any Netflix originals. So people got in the habit of doing other stuff while waiting for the plot to start moving again. Now they claim that their shows are meant for second screens. Motherfucker: we are in the golden age of TV, so there’s plenty of engaging content being produced. Marvelous Mrs. Maisle is so fast paced and brilliant I never felt the need to pick up my phone.
Can’t believe how prescient this movie was. We’re on our way!
Go away! Bait’n!
XD
Or we are on our phones because the movies repeat their themes over and over and over again
i dunno, most people i see watch netflix seem to use it as just another mode of stimulus because they need to always be completely inundated with flashing screens at all times to feel calm
Bad movies need to do this. You know, the average movie Netflix signs off on.
Writer insight : if people start pulling their phone when they should be watching your movie, it means your movie is shit, not that it should be made even sloppier. Watered down shit is still a shit cocktail.
This is what kills any articles on the web. The first three paragraphs repeat the question you’re looking to get answered and the last paragraph vaguely answers it.
I feel like an old person now but I’ve started watching movies from the 90s/2000s and I can’t believe how much worse movies have become over the years.
SEO was a mistake.
Also the more repetition the more room on the page for ad spots. Same reason so many Youtubers restate the same shit almost verbatim over and over and over; it pads the video so Youtube can cram in more ad spots.
The amount of reciprocal effort art is socially allowed to demand from the audience changes. The art form gets refined and people respect that and are willing to invest more attention, then at some point it’s opera and nobody goes because it requires too much attention and respect. Netflix might suck but on the other hand Christopher Nolan is making movies with inaudible dialogue and Game of Thrones has invisible fight scenes because they got out of hand with it and think they can demand you only watch their thing alone in a soundproof HDR screening room.
It’s the big tech social media disease.
Everyone, frigging everyone who steps away from fb/insta/twittler/yt/tiktok/… says the same “holy shit my mind is so peaceful all of a sudden.” And somehow it’s not substantially part of the daily discourse. Somehow between that and EVERYTHING else these mfrs are responsible for (protecting pedos, encouraging insurrections, …) just flies.
It’s a disease, an addiction, a plague and we gotta start naming it as such. Talk to your loved ones and carefully try to get them off that shit.
Does that include Lemmy?
Lemmy/Piefed is an echo chamber, and has some structural issues like Reddit. But there’s no algo, no advertising, nor constant phone notifications.
And, uh, no billionaires warping “open” discourse.
To me, it’s a time black hole, worse than old forums. But it’s not nearly as bad as (say) Discord or anything Facebook owned.
nor constant phone notifications.
Until emails broke on our instance I used to get email notifications for replies, which would send a notification to my phone, which would get forwarded to my smart watch.
So, uh, yeah.
It can. Depends on how you use it. Wear gloves and goggles when handling .ml and such.
You tell me:
-are you getting ads/shorts/brainrot shoved in face every single second?
-is the public on lemmy tolerant of sexoffenders? Nazis?
-ads? (Yes, I initially misspelled it as “adds” this guy right here)
-do you have superfluous bs following you around?
I think not.
I think if no public bathrooms are available, then we should be allowed to urinate in public.
You forgot:
- Is an algorithm shoving political divisive rage bait down your throat?
But thanks for listing why I like it here
Regarding adds: I guess if you fight one lemmy user, others will spawn and come to help. So I would say yes, there are adds
So people having discourse equals advertising?
Nah, they’re making a joke from the misspelling.
add: To perform addition. Or a mob joining an ongoing fight in a game.
ad: An advertisement.
Thank you, should have made that clear.
Well looks like I’ll be having an omelette tomorrow morning on account of the egg on my face. 🤣
Good thing we canceled our Netflix subscription last year when Trump threatened to invade our country the first time.
Even greater that now that he is threatening to do it again, and seemingly is more serious about it, we are one year into being back on physical media and we fucking love it. Dvds and blurays are so much better than shitflix.
Canceling Netflix wil certainly compensate for the brilliant decision of our EU clowns to get 70% of our gas from the US to own the Russians.
As if the price isn’t killing the EU industries already the orange clown now has another massive leverage tool.
You could absolutely do it in a funny way like Kronk (Emperors New Groove) or Luis (Ant-Man).
Make content that makes people put their phones down.
This is part of the genius of kpop demon hunters. It moves fast, sometimes frenetically.
Make movies that are engaging enough to keep people from checking their feeds while they wait for something to happen.
My wife said that the Wire was hard to follow and boring, but she also checked her phone every 5 minutes and was carrying on a conversation there with her friends. She also impulsively pulled out facebook and scrolled a bit. I pointed all this out but Its still the shows fault somehow.
I dunno man, I can’t get my friends to watch some stellar movies because their attention span has been shot over time.
Believe it or not, they’ll watch crappier movies because they don’t need to pay attention.
Can’t right now, ow my balls is on.
That doesn’t sound very streamlined or profitable to me.
Part of it is the movie, but a large part is that short form video trains your brain to need frequent dopamine fixes. A 5 second video does that, while a 90 minute movie might not give it until the climax.
It’s not much different than a smoker taking a break during a movie.
If someone starts a movie and immediately pulls their phone out or starts cleaning, that’s on them.
And movies absolutely should not be made to cater to addiction. Nothing should, except for something explicitly designed to help people recover from addiction.
When movies have a good idea and are given the proper attention to make them well, regular people won’t be checking the time or reading blogs when they become bored. The problem is that studios say that, good idea or not, proper attention to the craft or not, we’re making this many movies this year. We’re lucky if a few of those movies are something future generations would consider good.
Matt Damon is suggesting that movies be made even worse than they already are.
Matt Damon is suggesting
It definitely reads more as “Netflix execs suggest and Matt Damon complains about”
I can’t stand short videos. I won’t even watch videos that aren’t an hour or longer myself. I don’t get these shorts, it’s so unsatisfying.
We get our short attention span jones from reading headlines and comments.
That’s the problem they don’t want to discuss. Writing has gotten seriously shitty.
If you watch shitty movies, yes. There are still plenty of good movies being made.
I’ve watched through ‘Severance’, which is very popular afaict. It’s chock full of protracted shots padding the runtime. Either the directors (mostly Ben Stiller) think they’re new Kubricks, or the directive was to make the show longer. Idk what Netflix gets from a longer show, when a season is dumped all at once anyway — presumably more space for ads, which are apparently there now. I wouldn’t feel much guilty about checking the phone in between any meaningful action.
The only new film that really gripped me in the past few years was ‘The Substance’, which felt like oldschool Cronenberg stuff. Ironically it’s comparatively long, and doesn’t even have much dialogue.
First and foremost, you’re complaining about pacing, not writing. Second, that’s your opinion and that’s fine. Personally, I don’t think every single second needs to move the plot forward. I’m perfectly fine with sections of it being transicions or world building or other stuff.
Your opinion’s fine though. Just go watch something else. However, you not liking something doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily bad, nor good.
If the substance really is the only film that gripped you in the past few years, then you either are terrible at picking movies or you just don’t really like cinema all that much.
It literally doesn’t work for most people anymore
Short form videos fried people’s attention and dopamine needs
Oh fucking please… that has nothing to do with it.
lol yea, toootally nothing to do with it. That’s why nobody ever talks about great movies, and movies toooootally aren’t getting longer nad longer… yep, totally not a quality to attention thing.
Not like there are legendary movies that are several hours long that people still watch… Yep, quality has nothing to do with how long people stay engaged with movies!
The fact that classics exist has literally nothing to do with this discussion. Also, no, movies aren’t getting longer. Source.
There are plenty of great films still being made every year. If you don’t watch or like them, that’s a you problem.
Nowhere did I say they no longer make good movies.
K bud
The Intro to the film, “One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest” comes to mind.
Great film, slow, steady, meaningful.
Bud… people are on thier phones constantly… there nothing that will stop that…
Do the people who have their phones out in films nowadays watch those old movies without looking at their phones, hmm?
Your snark makes you sound like an arsehole.
My snark is because it was an assinine statement that was said rudely. I don’t know why you’re mad at me and not the rude person with the wrong opinion.
Now I’m curious, am I checking my phone after they’ve repeated the same thing 3 or 4 times and now I’m bored / annoyed?
Sorry Damon but Thats just the world now, we all watch while on our phones when we stream and you aren’t going back ever
I find shows and movies that show something happen clearly and then restate it in the dialogue immediately quite annoying. Very common in anime.
Wait, you’re telling me that restating dialog makes you annoyed, especially because it happens so frequently in anime?
In anime, you should expect repetitive exposition. Can it be that Netflix has gained this power, too?
Metal Gear???
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To be fair, that can be necessary to make the action understandable, especially when you’re adapting a game that you don’t expect the viewers to be experts in. (Which is always because these shows are usually supposed to be advertisements.
Imagine an MtG-themed show where battles looked like this:
Player A: “Okay, your turn.”
Player B: “Untap, draw… In my precombat main I play Isochron Scepter with Pongify.”
Player A: “Fold.”
Spectator: “Yeah, that was obviously unwinnable.”
…without even bothering to explain the cards, much less why player A’s game couldn’t stand up to a questionable use of an Isochron Scepter.
(Of course a particularly egregious case was Yu-Gi-Oh, which needed these explanations because the card game as shown on the show made no sense.)
Nani?
I wonder if its due to how closely Anime attempts to animate Manga? I feel like you can kind of “explain” what happens in text alot more smoothly than on a TV show due to how much faster you ingest knowledge.
Often it’s a localization issue too. Japanese dialogue doesn’t translate easily to English, it’s usually longer and has more layers of formality that English can’t express. And they often aren’t allowed to cut the content, so they have to make the English super wordy and explainy to match the long winded mouth flaps.
Yeah I also didn’t think of the translation part too, good point
That’s a good point, I agree for anime it is probably stylistic like some comic book movies are comic-y.
Some YouTube channels do this and I started to hide them in the recommendations because it pisses me off so much.
The constant restating on Youtube is to pad out their video and get more ad spots. I also immediately dislike and hide them because of that.
Same here, I know why they do it, but they will lose me as a viewer.
