Proton VPN/mail. It’s often recommended as being safe, but I’m not so sure.

It has servers in Israel. Ties to Israel are never a good thing. Palantir, Epstein, etc are tied to Israel, and Israel also is known for its surveillance. It is also true that it’s completely legal there for them to access and monitor any and all information that passes through VPNs or networks there.

I’m looking for a safe alternative that’s privacy-conscious and isn’t linked to Israel. Both mail and vpn (it’s fine if they’re separate). Please let me know if you guys know.

  • technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    1 hour ago

    Not sure why people would downvote this completely reasonable question.

    Unfortunately I don’t know of any VPN services that actively oppose genocide. I would like to know as well.

    It’s part of the misery of living in the imperial core. The whole of capitalism is based on genocide, etc.

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      51 minutes ago

      Not sure why people would downvote this completely reasonable question.

      it goes against the same sort of groupthink that maga and vote-blue-no-matter-who does.

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    Having exit nodes for their VPN is not the same as collaborating with the government. There is no evidence that the Israeli government has access to any of their information, their servers are hosted in Switzerland.

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      60 minutes ago

      “we’ve investigated ourselves and found no wrong doing”

      – proton

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    Your ties to Israel claim is more than just a little specious.

    Mullvad, widely considered the gold standard for privacy, allows the user to select a server in Israel.

    Aside from that nugget, consider not worrying too much about perfect email secrecy. Email is t private, was never intended to be and has many, many vectors of attack which are so well condiments and in such common use that ISPs have attacked email simply to promote end users running their service instead of the competition.

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    4 hours ago

    There are plenty of problems with Proton, but since they have a VPN service it means they probably have an exit node in Israhell. I’m pretty sure any VPN that masks traffic as coming from Israhell will do the same. I’m not saying that it’s not worth looking for one that doesn’t do business in Israhell, it just might be hard to find. If you ever need to exit through that node, just make sure your encryption is maxed, with quantum encryption preferably, and avoid doing anything sensitive over that node.

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    7 hours ago

    Having servers in Israel means you are materially tied to them now? Making this jump to liken it to Epstein or Palantir is kinda wild imo

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      5 hours ago

      Mulvad is the first group that really gets me. Good because they care about the idea, cheap because they aren’t trying to choke me for money, and they take cash.

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    7 hours ago

    I have my issues with proton because of its CEO and some weird decisions for their product lone and don’t use them at all. I.e. I won’t defend this company.

    Such a claim without source and explanation or interpretation of assumed implications are pure fear mongering.

    Because of this: my advice is to decouple your privacy concerns and thoughts from politics in the first degree (rhetoric and hearsay). Base it ok policies, observable behavior, audits, laws and so on…your example: exit nodes for VPNs don’t have an impact on security at all in neither direction. Hosting infrastructure there would (i.e. it would increase potential access and put the infrastructure under additional legal requirements).

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    7 hours ago

    Do you have information on proton’s Israel links? I know they used radware several years ago but no longer do.

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    7 hours ago

    You have the ability to whip up this BS about proton, but a web search for “private email provider” was too much?