• theunknownmuncher
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    12 days ago

    How is this not true? Disruption of Iranian oil supply (and Venezuelan oil supply) boosts dependence on Russian oil, which is good for Putin. Not good for China though.

    Depletion of American air defense missiles and interceptors is good for both China and Russia.

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      12 days ago

      Because it’s singular, when the main beneficiaries are Israel’s leadership blackmailing US leaders into this, Oil Companies like Exxon and Chevron, and all the rest, and of course the Arms Contractors.

      The media has been covering for Israel on the Epstein blackmail and trying to make is seem like it’s all Russia, since by now the blackmail angle is undeniable, but so is the fact the entire thing was an Israeli honeypot. But the population is dumb as shit and the media know it.

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        Because it’s singular, when the main beneficiaries are Israel’s leadership blackmailing US leaders into this, Oil Companies like Exxon and Chevron, and all the rest, and of course the Arms Contractors.

        …and Russia.

        That’s a hilariously long list to just stop short and not include another main beneficiary… you’re right that it’s not singular and there is not only one beneficiary, so why not include them all?

        The media has been covering for Israel on the Epstein blackmail and trying to make is seem like it’s all Russia

        Yeah, if this was true, you’d be able to provide one single link to a mainstream news source with an article that matches your made up narrative of “Russia blackmailing Trump into the Iran War with Epstein files”. Good luck searching! I’ll wait.

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          Russia is included in the oil companies, geopolitical maneuvering sure, russia and china and everyone else benefits, but they already were with this clown in charge, that’s why russia has been helping this far right seize control in part.

          As to the latter part, do you not follow the news? This winter, the media, nytimes, and others, were running articles trying to pin epstein as a russian honeypot, now that it’s common knowledge it was a honeypot.

          I don’t even know what your point is here. You are covering for Israel I take it?

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            Does China really benefit? They import a fuckton of oil/gas through the strait of Hormuz, so they’ll face an energy crisis just like the rest of us. Is that worth a drawdown on US munitions and damage to the US’s reputation? The former is temporary and the latter is frankly common under Trump. China’s main concern is, or at least ought to be, getting their economy ahead of their population crisis (which is key to maintaining their claim to legitimacy).

            They’ll benefit from the boom in renewables that an oil crisis usually causes (generalising from a dataset of one), maybe that’s the assumption?

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            As to the latter part, do you not follow the news?

            I do.

            This winter, the media, nytimes, and others, were running articles trying to pin epstein as a russian honeypot

            Okay, so if this was true, it would be trivial to produce a link to one of them. This narrative definitely went around on social media and memes, maybe some op eds, but that’s not the same as it it being pushed by mainstream news sources.

            I don’t even know what your point is here.

            I simply disagreed with the OP.

            You are covering for Israel I take it?

            No, and I agree that Epstein was very likely connected to Mossad. However, the media is not pushing a narrative that Epstein is connected to Russia, or relating it to the Iran war.

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              If you followed the news as you claimed, you would be well aware of the media fobbing off blame, not successfully, on Russia, for Epstein. This just happened, this winter. It’s common knowledge and I don’t care if you concede that point or not. You agree that epstein was connected to mossad, that is enough.

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                Didn’t find anything to back up your claim? Yeah, neither did I when I searched. Lol.

                You agree that epstein was connected to mossad, that is enough.

                Except you’ve still made an easily verifiable claim that you cannot back up with evidence, besides “it’s common knowledge”. You’re either intentionally spreading misinformatiom or are just misinformed yourself.

                I don’t care if you concede that point or not.

                Yeah, of course you don’t. Because you don’t care that your claim is false.

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      It’s completely undecent to whine about Putin marginally benefitting from the USA bombing civilians in the middle east ffs. Americans are not the victims in this. That’s just propaganda

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        Okay. It’s always appropriate to state facts, though. No one has whined or made claims about who is the victim. It’s simply factually true that Russia benefits from disruption to Iranian oil supply.

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            That’s just propaganda

            This you?

            The flu alone kills more people each day on average than the total casualties of the Iran war. So I guess there is never a time that anyone can ever state true and correct facts, because people are always dying.

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              “Ok we’re bombing schools but have you thought of all the people getting cancer?”.

              It maybe true, but it truely shows where your priorities are. Dead civilians? No body cares. Putin making a bit more money? Real shit.

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                Dead civilians? No body cares. Putin making a bit more money? Real shit.

                Did I say nobody cares or that it is not important? No, I did not. The topic being discussed is “beneficiaries of the Iran War”.

                It is interesting that you don’t take issue with the priorities of the OP, who is falsely defending Russia, but instead take issue with my priorities, when I state that the OP is factually incorrect, despite the fact that the OP is the one who has chosen to speak about beneficiaries of the war instead of the tragedies of civilian deaths.