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“both parties” making sense in a sentence is an abomination
In this sentence it is, but not in any sentence e.g. “PP and Vox publicly oppose banning bullfighting. Both parties smacked down a proposal to ban it”
Vote blue no matter who after we purposely screw over the progressive candidate and put in a milque toast corporatist going after the former Tump supporter votes.
Can I have a laugh at who supposedly is the ‘progressive’ yet part of the blue side of the Uniparty?
Yeah. I called it last time a few months early.
I’d point out the work of Lina Kahn under the Biden administration as head of the FTC was very progressive until it was dismantled by the current corrupt administration.
Putting Lina Khan as the head of the FTC was a concession the Biden admin made to the more progressive Elizabeth Warren wing of the party.
Be that as it may, any real progressive movement is almost certainly unintentional, given the ruling parties’ record on everything that isn’t wholly symbolic.
Go vote in a primary.
The Dems rig their primaries, and not only that, they argued publicly in court that they have every right to do so.
If that were true Analilia Mejia wouldn’t have beaten Tom Malinowski. She did.
If that were true, Cuomo would’ve beaten Mamdani. He didn’t.
If that were true Janet Mills would be winning her primary. She’s not.
They’re downvoting you for stating actual facts!
It’s okay. Cognitive dissonance is a big thing with partisans of both team colors.
Well, actual leftists are watching and appreciate you. ✊🏾
Glad to see I’m not the only one. Have a great day. :)
Democrats need to go back to combating hypercapitalism, that portion of politics was the most popular in all of US history up until the late 1900s.
I can explain it like this: The most popular president in history is either George Washington, or Franklin D Roosevelt. Washington could have been king, but set it aside (undisputed badass). FDR was the only president in history to be elected for more than 2 terms (he was elected as president 4 times). FDR helped usher in those “magical” 95%+ tax rates on millionaires and implemented strict business and wealth restrictions. FDR’S “socialist” programs were insanely popular, even amongst non-democrats… no one could successfully run against him. We need someone like that.
Democrats need to go back to combating hypercapitalism
Guessing that, looking at their own stock portfolios and exploding wealth, and now their ability to increase it exponentially by insider betting on prediction markets, that they don’t feel the urgent need to do much of anything about it beyond pretending to give a shit and then trying to curb stomp any real progressive who gains traction, like they did to Mamdani and Graham Platner.
The US is built around a party system (and typically a 2 party system). Like it or not, that’s what it is. No amount of crying on the internet is going to change that.
So either burn shit in the streets, or work within the system. Bitching about it while not voting as a “protest” just puts the absolute worst shit hawks in power.
It’s a two party system, but every so often an old rotten party gets torn down and replaced with a new one.
Obviously, the only way to end FPTP while working within the system is to vote for people who are against FPTP.
If they don’t oppose FPTP, then they are fine with Republicans and are playing you for a fool. Yes they know, everyone has known since the 2000 election.
FPTP is not the problem, that works well for presidentials, which is what everyone cares. The problem is with Winner Takes All and electoral college, which means your vote is worth very little in all but swing states.
The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.
- Julius Nyerere
burn shit in the streets is your best option.
But knowing how potty trained to “work within the system” you all are and there is zero chance for you pacified slaves.
Resign in your fate and get what you deserveThe former appeals. Need critical mass though so set the engines to warp 10.
Why did the US only go with two political parties?
This is a genuine question here, I am sincerely curious.
We didn’t “go” with two parties, they emerged via Duverger’s Law. We have a first-past-the-post election system, which naturally causes two dominant big-tent parties. Third party votes are basically just spoiler votes that improve the margin for whichever of the two dominant parties is less aligned with the third party candidate.
To have more parties, we would need to decide our elections differently.
a first-past-the-post election system, which naturally causes two dominant big-tent parties.
that’s just not true
Care to provide any reasoning besides “Nuh-uh”?
I’ve provided exactly as much evidence as you
When did you provide a well-established and consistently observed political science phenomenon?
duverger’s law doesn’t say fptp causes a two party system to emerge, and if it did, it would be easy to disprove by pointing at any fptp system with more than two parties.
It’s a design not a bug.
We didn’t.
It’s just how our politics turned out. Originally we had multiple parties, but third parties basically give up and join another party to consolidate power. We have had many third parties that get substantial votes, but they are usually short-lived and never show up for more than a single election cycle or two.
Money and racism are like the answers.
These Republican assistants start up earlier and earlier every year with their ‘Don’t vote’ shitick.
Notice how they never advocate for doing anything just making life worse for everyone.
Fuck off, socialists and communists don’t vote for right wing POS like Democrats or Republicans and this is a communist space.
Democrats have made our life worse by lying about who they are. They don’t care about the working class, they are owned by the same bankers, CEOs, and lobbyists that own Republicans
“They both suck so I’ll just sit here, do nothing about it and complain while they go wild and unchecked. That’ll show 'em!”
Who says we’re doing nothing?
You think voting is the only form of working to change the world around you?
What people on the left are telling you is that voting will not fix this. You better try something different.
Go vote in a primary instead of being a doomer
Ah, yes, everyone who doesn’t like my dear leaders is The Enemy. Where have I seen this before?
That aside, maybe you just haven’t asked?
Although that is true, you were never promised a fair world.
You need to use all your cunning and what little power you have to best negotiate the one you live in. Being able to vote democrats in gave you two parties to play against each other. The option of a lesser evil.
By not voting, and allowing the republicans to stack the supreme court, non-voters gave away their last bargaining chip.
It is not the parties that will burn.
Being able to vote democrats in gave you two parties to play against each other.
*Two parties to be played by. The existence of two parties allows the ruling class to launder their neoliberalism and/or fascism through a “legitimate” political process. If there was only one party people would actually take to the streets.
You need to use all your cunning and what little power you have to best negotiate the one you live in.
And maybe there’s a way to do that better than carrying water for the “lesser evil” that ends up losing to fascists anyway? The model you’re proposing has decisively failed anyway; might as well try something else.
Curses! You’ve cracked the code! This is the very first generation to believe in morality, and that fixed everything!
By increasing suffering, you’re actually better than everyone else, see! It’ll get way worse, eventually failing, and in that power vacuum, only good people will seize control!
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
How’s that trying something else going for ya?
Liberal lesser evil gave us incremental fascism
Refusing to vote for the imperfect candidate over the literal fascist gave us fascism.
imperfect candidate
I have to correct this:
imperfect candidategenocider who also outright ignored that you’re being robbed of your labor and you are no longer paid enough to buy food. And for added fun, the candidate doesn’t have a working brain anymore.Imperfect indeed. I wonder just how badly Democrats have to fail before you’d change your behavior.
Your vote has never made an impact on policy. Most nonvoters have realized this, their material conditions are unchanged regardless which shade of fascism is running government.
Yeah man.
Kamala would have deployed ICE on american cities, kidnapped Maduro and started a war with Iran. 🙄
Fuck outta here with “material conditions remain unchanged.” What a stupid and wildly priviliged thing to say.
She just supported over funding ice, funding a genocide than denying one was going on. Supported ‘the strongest, most lethal fighting force in the world.’
She was first term trump in blackface.
Edit,
And no material conditions didnt improve under biden. We saw the highest jump in homeless ever recorded. Auto repo s through the roof, credit card debt skyrocketed, 72% lived paycheck to paycheck.
Lesser evil doesn’t exist, that’s bs liberals tell themselves to distract from the fact they chose evil
Gaza/Palestine would still be screwed, but would a Harris-Walz administration threaten Canada, attack Venezuela and capture Maduro, engage in piracy and extrajudicial killing in the Caribbean, attack Iran and cause the Hormuz Strait to close, put a tax (tariff) on virtually everything Americans buy? Would they encourage universities to arrest students for not being Israel cucks, would they make regulatory mergers contingent on fealty to them? Would they cancel land leases and try to cancel partially built offshore wind farms, and dump taxpayer money on companies to burn coal unnecessarily and to build oil and gas infrastructure? Would they continue the massive wealth transfer enabled by Republicans’ 2017 tax cuts or allow them to expire? Would immigration forces be used to kidnap random people on the street, and as a President Harris’ personal goon squad? Would they elect to blow up the relationship with virtually every allied country, such that they become hesitant when they actually need help?
This is just what I can think of off the top of my head. Not all evils are created equal. Trump, MAGA and Republicans are special breeds.
they encourage universities to arrest students for not being Israel cucks
They already were in California and NYC
Being unable to perceive a spectrum is a special kind of stupid. There are many degrees of bad, and many degrees of good.
There are!
The democrats are bad
Don’t call them non voters. They made a choice and their vote is being counted by the analysts. They’re neutral voters.
At the Democrat strategy meetings where they run the numbers and decide on the party platform, these people are considered part of the “apolitical” demographic. The Democrats are stupid and will move the party platform rightwards to try and appeal to them. Principles don’t fix stupid.
To be fair, I live in a country where you can vote for a 3rd or 4th or 5th party and your vote still counts, because that’s how democracy should work.
In the US, I would probably be considered one of my ‘non-voters’.
In the US you would be considered a nuisance by the politicians of both established parties for feebly trying to disrupt their plan to usher in fascism under the guise of free choice. We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends. Their actions are designed to influence us, not the other way around. The only way voting helps in the US is to buy time to coordinate the revolution while Democrats are still playing the role of the idiot.
We’re not going to be able to work the sides against each other, because that’s like trying to call out from the audience of a play to try to influence how the story ends
True, but you can influence the ending of a play by going backstage and putting on a costume. In America they call that a “primary” and it’s how Zohran Mamdani became the mayor.
True, but just because you put on a costume and go backstage that doesn’t mean you’ll get a lead role in the play, or even a role at all. I do vote in my primaries, and I’m very hopeful of Mamdani, especially with help from AOC and Bernie, but I can’t help but feel like I’m being tricked into pacificity; I picture a scenario were a few outspoken antagonists are allowed a place on the stage only to give the like-minded audience hope, but are never given a plot-relevant role.
“Maybe we can do a bit more genocide to find a middle ground between those who want to kill latinos and those who dont”
Like I said, they’re stupid.
Like I said, principles don’t fix stupid. If you don’t vote, they’ll just act stupider.
Voting for them certainly hasn’t fixed them so far. Maybe they just can’t be fixed?
That’s no reason for you to vote centrist and make them even worse. Use your vote to stop things getting worse, use your hands for direct action to make things better. You can’t make things better while they’re getting worse.
The lesser of the evil BS is the reason why there is so much non voters. If they decide to vote there is no guarentee that they will not vote for facists. When people vote for third party they still get shames
You can’t make things better while they’re getting worse.
Yes you can; in fact that’s usually what happens. That aside, no reason not to vote Democrat, but it’s simply not a viable way of holding back fascism. Also, lesser evil politics can and does directly contradict with direct action (see: Gaza protests during Biden’s term), so “let’s just do both” is only remotely viable when the Democrats aren’t in power. When they are, you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before.
you end up having to choose between supporting them and denouncing their ghoulish actions. We’ve seen this movie before.
if you voted for them you voted for genociders. You’re an utter piece of shit.
The two party system will prevail as long as you keep voting for the same two parties. It aint rocket science
Because of your neutral vote, the Democrats are going further right and killing more kids. You’ve got blood on your hands.
The opposite
Ah yes if you don’t vote for genociders you’re a genocider. Water is dry and war is peace.
I hope your mum gets liquified by iran
Fuck the democrats. We still have to vote for whatever the other option is here. There are Christi-fascists in power right now. I would fucking love to get excited about a candidate that has an actual plan to materially improve the lives of the working class. But we are not in that position right now. We are fucked, so let’s get literally any non-fascist in to the Presidency. From there we have to find someone who will take us leftward.
Abstaining is a selfish position.
There is a path we have to follow to get where we need to be. Israel should be made to pay dearly for what they have done and continue to do. The entire government as well as anyone who has served in the IOF should be at The Hague.
Grow the hell up.
It doesn’t matter now. The Democrats will likely never win another presidential election again.
You’re the problem. They are politicians. If you give them permission to do nothing, that’s exactly what they’ll do.
Right now, the love donor money more than they fear us. We must change that. We have to make them fear us, and the severe consequences of defying us. WE are in charge, they only hold office because of our votes. We have to wield our power ruthlessly, and threaten them into representing us properly, or they will be voted out, and even prosecuted if their intransigence was bad enough.
They will almost certainly walk into 2028 with a trifecta.
If you want a socialist / progressive president then this is the best shot you’ve ever had.
The red triangles mean this is a Hamas supporter.
Shut up zionazi
This comment means this is a genocide supporter.
(I, too, am incapable of nuance.)
Oh nooo how dare they support the only armed force defending people against a genocide
Iran is trying to stop a genocide, not sure its working. We’re just really good at genociding, even by proxy.
