• Bernie EcclestonedOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      -41 year ago

      If the ultras had been denied their hard AF brexit and we’d gone for the sensible Norway option of single market access but no political union, then there’d be zero brexit downsides.

      So, any brexit cost is down to the Tories failed negotiations and failed implementation

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        61 year ago

        Possibly, but that’s entirely hypothetical. This is the Brexit we’ve got, and it was delivered by mostly the same people who were promoting it in the first place.

          • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝
            link
            fedilink
            English
            41 year ago

            That’s what the Brexiteers I know say - the idea is good but the implementation was bad. It is rather a moot point because they would have to rely on a Tory government to “do Brexit right” and even if they were able to go for a Norway deal, which the hardliners would never have allowed, they have demonstrated a staggering lack of competence.

            • Bernie EcclestonedOP
              link
              fedilink
              English
              01 year ago

              I voted for lexit, I wasn’t expecting a right wing government to implement it

              The replacement Agriculture Policy is better than the CAP at least

              • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝
                link
                fedilink
                English
                41 year ago

                I was aware of numerous good left wing arguments for Brexit, especially the CAP, but I couldn’t figure out how it would have been done. You’d have had to somehow get the right Labour government in against the headwinds of a Tory press arguing that voting conservative was the only way to get Brexit done.

                The Brexiteers I know say this isn’t the Brexit they voted for but it wasn’t a complicated multiple-choice referendum, they voted Leave and left implementation in the hands of whatever idiot had clawed their way to the top of the Tory party.

                • Bernie EcclestonedOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  01 year ago

                  I’m hoping for a hung parliament and the lib dems or SNP make proportional representation a price for power. That would be a massive change, along with replacing the House of Lords with a more democratic upper house.

                  I think having more representation would make policy better, rather than the current model where winner takes all and policies to suit a small section of the population.

      • @Jackthelad
        link
        English
        01 year ago

        EFTA was the best of both worlds, but no one wanted to listen.

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      11 year ago

      I don’t think the article makes that assertion. It simply says that the economy has recovered past pre pandemic levels but that Truss fucked it up badly. If anything it is merely stating that th economy is resilient. Not that it is fine and we’re still pretty low down in the G7 figures perhaps lower than we ought to be because of Truss.

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          1
          edit-2
          1 year ago

          I would imagine the argument against what you’re saying is that if Brexit was a disaster then the economy would be in free fall rapidly without signs of stopping and we’d be in a multi year recession by now. But that hasn’t happened. In fact it’s slightly up. Small numbers but up. Germany however is in recession. Who’d have thought that?

          So maybe disaster is a bit hyperbolic too? If we want to take the pressure out of debate and all?

  • Bernie EcclestonedOP
    link
    fedilink
    English
    21 year ago

    Or any other Tory

    The one thing you can say about the Tories, they are at least consistent.