In a post titled “Trump is symbolic of the rot of the US government”, they were calling the concept of “harm reduction” (as in, voting for the person who’s not literally Hitler) “bullshit that liberals tell themselves because they know that what they support is evil”, because they’re a sane, mature human who is not at all stupid as hell.
They didn’t really like it when I pushed back on that narrative by pointing out that far more people have been harmed in the first 2 years of a Trump presidency than would have been over 8 years of a Harris presidency. Que sera, sera.
would have been over 8 years of a Harris presidency.
Right, right… and Obama didn’t unleash a campaign of drone terrorism on the world and Hillary Clinton wasn’t schooled in the arts of imperialist slaughter by Henry Kissinger.
Donald Trump perfectly represents what the US is and always has been… and with him in the Waffle House, you Yanks don’t get to ignore that and fall asleep like you do when one of your Dem Wall Street blow-up dolls fills your heads with smiley faces and lulls you back to sleep while they cause carnage throughout the world.
I don’t understand people still defending Holocaust Harris. She lost, now they’re probably going for Gruesome Newsom, this is the person the establishment wants you to defend now.
voting
is not harm reduction
You broke community rules (3&4) so mod action was taken. YDI
Also please attach a screenshot of the modlog with the removed comment, so I can verify that you actually commented what you claim to have commented.
I’m not actually sure how to screenshot that. When I go to that page, it just shows “removed by mod” on the posts that I made, and the screenshot that I posted above is the only thing I can see in the modlog (unless I’m just using the modlog incorrectly, which is 100% a possibility). Also, when I go to my profile, my past posts in that thread also show “removed by mod”.
Is there some way that you know of that I can see the original messages?
Yeah dont know if normal users can recover comments that got removed this way (ban + remove all comments from community).
But even taking everything you write as truth, I stay by my judgement.
FYI that is correct. I wasn’t able to see the comment that got me banned and I had to paraphrase the one time I posted here
Well, I’m happy to see that you don’t actually care what was in the messages I wrote before judging me. Real cool.
Is my wording so weird that people do not get my intention?
When I judge based on only what you write here, you have full control of the narrative and you can ommit things if you think it helps your case.
Screenshots would actually make it harder for you to do those things.
So me coming to a judgement just based on this is your best scenario, as I am taking your word for what happened. It would be only your own fault if you mispresented the situation.
So what exactly is your problem with that?
I mean you can’t really make that claim. You have no idea what a Harris presidency would be like until it occurred.
You may say you believe that would be the case, and even put forth arguments supporting the prediction, but that’s all it would be.
I mean you can’t really make that claim.
Lol
We know more than enough to make that claim day in and day out.
Suggesting otherwise is a rejection of reality.
You don’t need a crystal ball here. In the entire multiverse of possibilities, precisely 0% of them would have resulted in the Harris presidency being worse for the world than a Trump presidency.
I mean she’d really have to work for the deaths caused by doge alone. Add in hormuz, food safety, EPA, weather monitoring…trump’s gonna be something tthat fucks up the next multiple generations
I agree with you to an extent, it’s hard to see how she could have been worse than Trump, who is literally deranged.
On the other hand, Harris will 100% be lining up to support a bailout for “too big too fail” AI companies when the bubble bursts, like all the rest of the “centrist” Dems. She’d also have kept supplying Israel no matter what they did, same as Biden, same as Trump, same as all the other Zionists. Would she have started a war with Iran? Probably not. But she might well have started a war with Russia or China to prove how “tough” she is - and that possibility has surely got to be in the double digits? The war machine must be fed, after all. I do agree she’d have perhaps been a little better on climate change policy and on social policy, at least wrt identity politics issues.
In any case, the policy of this community is to not shame people for being anti-electoralist. If someone wants to vote, go ahead. I also vote - because imo I might as well, it’s a low effort action. I just don’t expect it to lead to any big changes. But we don’t shame those who don’t want to vote, for whatever reason. If a political party genuinely wants to expand their voter base they are gonna have to make some meaningful policy changes, instead of just pointing a loaded gun at the electorate (aka Donald Trump) and declaring themselves to be somewhat less terrible on certain issues.
They didn’t really like it when I pushed back on that narrative by pointing out that far more people have been harmed in the first 2 years of a Trump presidency than would have been over 8 years of a Harris presidency. Que sera, sera.
This is just a bad way to have food faith discussions. There is no way to disprove something that is based on wishful thinking about how it could have gone. Of course one could write lengthy analysis of harm under Biden Harris, compare it with harm under Trump, extrapolate what could have happened under Harris, but in the end one would still have to believe the interpretation that one gets presented.
It’s not “wishful thinking” to suggest that Harris would have behaved like pretty much every Democrat before her for the past 40 years. I will grant you that she could have had a stroke and Fetterman’d out, but I think you’re seriously downplaying the sheer amount of destruction that Trump has caused. It would be extremely difficult for a James Bond-type supervillain to purposely do all the damage Trump has done on accident. Just use simple common sense, here, is all I’m asking.
Since its common sense, it should be easy to prove your statement with some facts. Let me see those facts.
Doge alone has caused over 700,000 deaths
Edit: you demanded facts dude, don’t crack the shits when you get them.
Thats a pretty one dimensional metric for suffering, I can do the same.
Trumps goverment deported 600000 till now
Biden and Harris deported 270000 in 2024
So if we want to compare 2 (actually 1,5) current years of Trump with 8 years of Harris, who was on track to continue Bidens path, we could see more than 2 million deportations in that time frame.
Edit: you demanded facts dude, don’t crack the shits when you get them.
Whats up with that part? Did me not responding fast enough make you add it? Dont really get what you want to communicate with that.
These comparison you’re trying to make to Taleya’s post is not equitable. But hey, if you want play “deportations” how many biden ones were of citizens? How manhy of them were found to be illegal in courts of law?
this coment really does read like you’re trying to build a framework of "both sides bad" but one side is a bit shit and the other one is monstrous.
Fuck off with legal / illegal deportations. All deportations are bad, probably all include suffering and you do not really seem to be able to grasp or acknowledge that.
so you’re just making bad faith arguments and taking reactionary shits then. Cheerio.
Do you honestly think deportations and deaths are the same measurement of suffering?
No? I just did the same as you, I pointed to a singular data point that supported my believe even when I know it doesnt show the full picture and while I am aware there are others that could contradict my point.
Because this argument is not about facts at all, its about what you believe how 8 years of Harris would have gone, even if you do not actually know it and will never know it.
uhhh in case you haven’t noticed, I’m not OP
Why the american terrorist army and israel terrorist army did the biggest join military exercice aimed specifically on Iran during Biden. Why harris was fine with it?
YDI
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Trump better for Iran
Yes. Trump is better for Iran. Trump’s raging incompetence is the reason why Iran is winning the war.
Bomber Harris who vowed to make the US army the “most lethal in the world”?
The idiot is you who is feeling superior morally because he backed the lesser of the two terrorist side who still responsible of ten thousands of deaths.
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Evil is evil. You are defending people responsible of ten thousands of deaths . I defend neither side. I do not give a damn about your shitty excuses , your shitty country and your shitty electoral system. 90 millions did not vote because politicians from both side ignored them for decades. It is the politicians obligation to serve people not people serving pollical parties . Harris, obama, Biden, Trump, Bush, Hilary Clinton should all be executed.
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I am not American I did not take part of helping Trump win or the war of aggressions the usa started . You are taking part in defending war criminals. Explaining why certain people do not vote doesn’t mean that I don’t vote. I am voting in my own country . Keeping crying about the people who did not vote is not going to make people vote . Holding all politicians accountable which you don’t is what is going to make those people vote
Ok, so why the fuck would you care which way I voted, then? Your opinion on the matter is completely irrelevant.
