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Tankies:
All genocides are bad! Don’t vote democrats!
Everyone else:
Yeah we hate the genocides in Palestine, Ukraine and of the Uyghurs in China.
Tankies:
Where is your proof that Ukraine and Uyghurs are being genocided?
I have one account that follows me around to write variations of this comment:
“We know what genocide looks like. It’s inescapable. You can’t have a secret genocide. There would be evidence of genocide if there was genocide. I can’t believe this has to be explained to clowns”
And that’s all their post history is.
Oh wow. I looked into that and found like 4 .ml accounts to block. Thank you.
I always have mixed feelings. Like, is it my duty towards a healthy forum to downvote this guy, and therefore I shouldn’t block him?
I don’t have the energy though. I usually end up blocking people like that.
I’m not convinced down votes do much. I know I don’t care a whole lot, personally. They feel like a somewhat toxic holdover from other platforms, a useless form of impersonal disapproval rather than genuine and productive discussion.
Sometimes, I genuinely produce an L take, in which case I’m more concerned about the replies pointing it out.
Sometimes it’s just bad phrasing or misunderstanding, where I also try to figure out what I did wrong by how people respond.
And sometimes I find that I kicked a nest of hornets whose opinions and down votes also mean nothing to me, providing validation at best.I tend to engage way more than I should, telling myself that someone else might read it and take something away from the arguments being made, but just downvoting is probably even less productive. Hence, if you don’t wanna deal with their cuntery, blocking them is the most useful and healthy solution for your own sanity and enjoyment.
(I should also note that there are people I’ve gotten into arguments and disagreements with on here without blocking them. I don’t want an echo chamber, and if I silence all who disagree, that’s where I’ll end up. That’s tangential to the point, but my personal reason why I use blocking more sparingly.)
Vote scores made internet forums worse. I’ll die on that hill.
I’d upvote that, but it feels hypocritical ;-)
(Honestly though, I’ll stand with you.)
You replied so I think you’re clear.
Like young people don’t realize that the infamous “this” comment is a relic from the days when the only way to agree/disagree was to put your name out there and reply.
I want to take your side, but that name is going to be burned into my mind for all time
SatansMaggotyCumFart is a relatively well known frequent of lemmy. I’d personally trust them at their word for this particular case.
It gets easier if you just think of the name as SMCF
Is it empireindecay and that other account that’s somehow always in the same thread as him at the same time and saying the same things? They even necropost together. It would be so weird if they were actually different people…
does it change the fact that there is no conclusive evidence to claim there is a genocide being carried out in xinjiang?
most of these allegations against the perceived adversaries of west by liberals is just to lighten their guilt or to say be more morally right, far from truth just emotions
I don’t have time to argue with genocide denialists.
You dont have time to produce proof? Or are you so into believing whatever the western chauvinist capitalist imperialist media tells you?
There is unjust prosecution of minorities? sure. Like every other state. Is there a genocide? no proof whatsoever and never ever compare it with whats going on in palestine, that would be real genocide denial
The Arab League nations also deny Palestinians asylum and barely did anything against the Gaza genocide. Why do you think they are even credible on Xinjiang when they often don’t give a shit about other muslims?
why do you think western sources on China are credible when they either openly support israel or are silent on it?
Why do you believe state owned media on a genocide perpetrated by the state? That’s like cops investigating themselves and finding no fault.
Also “western media” is a huge spectrum of sources not limited to one source. When you check places like Grayzone or WSWS they are like “We asked China and they said no.”
And my sources speak of a genocide in Gaza and apartheid by Israel and still don’t deny genocides perpetrated by states you buttkiss because you think they are socialist when they are in fact more capitalist than some western states.
I despise the revisionist CPC so dont do projection here but your hate for China comes from racism and their historical stance against west or pursuing sovereignty, it has nothing to do with who they prosecute. I do not trust most western media, I wont until they are explicitly anti zionist anti rich.
This guy tricked China into letting him tour the camps, saying he wanted to see if western media was lying, then he came back and says they’re putting people in concentration camps for praying, or being Muslim:
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.5369163
Other states aren’t doing this, don’t normalize this please.
“tricked” the fucking CPC? lol.
you are doing holocaust denial by calling them concentration camps without any empirical evidence
Concentration camps != Extermination camps. The nazis had both. They also did forced sterilization in those camps. But the latter camps also had gas chambers.
The US interned American Natives / American Indians and Japanese people in concentration camps. At least for the former group, they also carried out forced sterilization, settled and exploited their land, and stole their children away for “re-education”. They did not build gas chambers or any other means of industrial slaughter, but few people would deny that the US committed genocide against the Native population of that continent.
It’s well documented that contraception, sterilization, and possibly abortion, are forced upon the Uyghur people in Xinjiang. Uyghur people but not Han Chinese are being interned in concentration camps in, at the time, the “largest mass incarceration of an ethnic-religious minority since second world war” (Guardian, 2019). Uyghur children are being transfered to boarding schools against the will of their parents and guardians, or because those have been interned for having too many children in the first place. Multiple Chinese government officials have repeatedly affirmed the goal of reducing Uyghur fertility. At a minimum, this constitutes 3 out of the 5 possible criteria for a genocide, each of which alone is sufficient to make that accusation. We have not yet seen mass killing of Uyghurs, but that doesn’t mean there’s no genocide. As has been said in this discussion: “We know what genocide looks like.” Exactly: It commonly looks quite like this.
Sources:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide?wprov=sfla1
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China?wprov=sfla1
- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/24/china-cables-leak-no-escapes-reality-china-uighur-prison-camp
- https://apnews.com/article/269b3de1af34e17c1941a514f78d764C
- https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/22311356/china-uyghur-birthrate-sterilization-genocide
- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53220713
- https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55973215
- https://www.studentsofhistory.com/internment-of-japanese-americans
- https://www.popsci.com/story/health/forced-sterilization-american-history/
Guardian, 2019
lol.
wikipedia
ok.
bbc
ok.
Goal of reducing fertility isnt inherently wrong if it is done through education and awareness, I also support anti religious campaign through those methods.
Well yes, he appears to have successfully tricked the CPC.
I have a better time smashing my face into a brick wall and in the end the brick wall has a better chance of changing their minds.
Peace out genocide denialist!
peace out chauvinist. free palestine fuck israel
Fuck Israel indeed.
Fuck Russia and China for being no better too.
“Russia and China are no better than Israel” yeah this is a zionist take
The real horseshoe theory:
MAGAts and Tankies got hit on the head by a horseshoe.
I think it’s more stethoscope theory than horseshoe theory.
Made of lead.
The real horseshoe theory:
MAGAts and libs: vote harder for me otherwise the other will win, even tho both parties interest just lies with israel
No.
yes.
Technically correct, although I wonder whether it would be easier to challenge the system under the “nothing will fundamentally change” party or the “We are actively and gleefully changing things for the worse” party…
Best is to organize the working class behind a 3rd party.
That would be best, yes. Is there a 3rd party in the US that already exists that could be organized behind?
@MousePotatoDoesStuff I dont know as I am not american but the greens are way better as a starting point than the dems.
Same. And yeah, from what little I’ve heard of them, they do seem better. Unfortunately, it will take some time and promotional support until they can win elections. And in the meantime, it’s sadly red vs blue.
what ever came of the initial wave of “yeah but ukraine is using literal nazi units in the war, so russia is still trying to kill nazis and get the territory back for they reason?”
It still pops up now and again. On the Triad you still see people saying things like “Ukronazis”
The Triad? Neat. I am guessing those are the instances that shall not be named?
I don’t like being lumped in with these people just because I chose to register on the devs‘ instance.
So did I, and then I moved
A person’s instance can be an identity, of sorts. Not everyone going to make assumptions about you, but you are going to be exposed to a ton of unconscious bias, regardless.
If I see someone at a baseball game, it’s safe to assume that the person actually likes baseball. It’s so safe of a guess that many people wouldn’t think twice about making that assumption.
I am simply calling out the conundrum for what it is. Stereotyping isn’t the best thing in the world, but it is inevitable.
.ml, lemmygrad, and Hexbear
“You aren’t being invaded, you’re the fascist invader and Russia just defends itself from NATO!!!111”
And then there’s https://lemmy.world/post/48392030 here on lemmy
