It’s teen vogue. They’re trying to make kids interested. Don’t be dismissive, grandparent.

Angry white male Americans with inferiority complexes are so hot right now.

Edit: editing comments to reply without notification, so hot right now lol

They see transphobic action as campaigning. And it’s all they do.

You expected actual governance? They broke that in the Reagan era and Citizens United killed it. Welcome to the new feudalism.

Torches in the left shed. Pitchforks in the right.

Kids have been online for 30 years. AOL and BBSs were available - I think I got my first modem around 1987. That’s a generation-plus. Which is to say - we have plenty of data on the effect of being “on the internet” on kids. Most people under the age of 30 have been online for virtually all of their lives.

You can tell these laws are bullshit because they always have some vague platitude like “protecting kids,” but they never define their measurements. An actual intervention - like a government policy to solve a problem - defines what it is trying to address, how and why they expect the program to work using peer-reviewed evidence, and what they expect the result to be after some time.

Let’s say the problem you’re trying to address is teenage suicide, and you think that being exposed to talk about suicide online contributes to it. First, you’d look for studies that evaluated the problem. They’d have to show causality, because just finding a correlation might mean that kids likely to commit suicide reach out to communities online, rather than vice versa. I’m skeptical, but for the sake of argument let’s say you find there is a causal relationship.

So you develop a model that allows you to estimate that keeping kids from accessing anyone talking about suicide would cut the teen suicide rate by 30%. Removing some middle steps, the government now bans the discussion of suicide on any platform that doesn’t have a strict age verification. So, now what happens? Is there ongoing monitoring to make sure that your hypothesis is correct? If suicide rates go up because kids can’t talk it out anymore and are more isolated, does the law get removed from the books? Are there classes of kids it hurts versus helps, and what are you going to do about them?

You can say the same thing about other metrics, like sexual abuse. The point is that, like they tell you in b-school, you have to measure it if you want to improve it. They never do that, though.

At best, these kinds of things are empty platitudes that allow politicians to pretend they’re doing something to get votes. At worst - and with this bill the more likely outcome - will be that this permits states like Texas to arbitrarily define what they think “kids” should see. They’ll remove the decision from kids and their parents, and instead make the global decision of censorship according to a conservative religious agenda. That’s what we’re seeing in libraries and schools today.

The other reason you can tell it’s just culture war bullshit is that none of this is coming in response to a sudden surge in child abuse statistics. When there’s a spike in something bad, like gun violence, opioid use, or a pandemic, politicians respond with policy. This push, like the bathroom bills, legal restrictions on trans athletes, and anti-drag laws, is not responding to any current crisis. It’s just someone jingling the keys to make people look in the other direction so that they can get away with what they’re actually trying to do.

Agree. But when you start limiting access to info, you control people.

They shouldn’t, but we aren’t putting this genie back in the bottle. There are kids who already grew up since the 2010s having phones with internet access, who already are adults, and that’s not going to change.

Rather than pointing fingers at the parents and the parents pointing fingers at the world we could take a moment to acknowledge that the horror scenario already came to pass and it turned out mostly fine.

Frankly these days old people with phones believing every nonsense they read worry me even more.

US society has demonstrated a) it’s generally too incompetent to be telling kids what to do and what not to do, and b) does not have kids’ best interests at heart anyway, seeking to forge kids into soulless cheap interchangeable laborers and soldiers to be used and worn out in the vanity projects of billionaires. For every kid in the US, their whole job is learning that everyone, including their parents, are in on the ruse, and to find a way to escape this destiny.

For that the internet will be most useful, and any barriers we have to information it will be up to them to break.

Oh, and our society fucked up the climate and ecology enough that there’s going to be a food crisis in their adulthood. And we’re trying to pretend that won’t happen.