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regardless of the company
This is key.
“Planned obsolescence tends to work best when a producer has at least an oligopoly. Before introducing a planned obsolescence, the producer has to know that the customer is at least somewhat likely to buy a replacement from them in the form of brand loyalty. In these cases of planned obsolescence, there is an information asymmetry between the producer, who knows how long the product was designed to last, and the customer, who does not. When a market becomes more competitive, product lifespans tend to increase.”
As much as I agree that individual releases are lackluster and uninspiring usually I just can’t agree with a 13yo phone being very capable today. The benefits that are compounded after 3 or 4 releases is usually worth the switch. However I do firmly believe these devices should last at least that long.
Not to mention most people are ecstatic to have their washing machine, refrigerator, water heater, or even their cars for so long and usually it isn’t without compromises. Just about any appliance lasting that long is considered good luck.
Computational devices are even harder to continue using for so long and usually not because they break but because they become inadequate as processing power follows Moore’s law. I would guess most people use their laptops for about 5 years before feeling like they have to upgrade because it feels slow but I remember the laptop I had 13 years ago and the thought of still using that now fills me with dread.
When i read this:
a 13yo phone
My brain went: huh? There were no smartphones in 2005.
Damn, where did the time go
A-fucking-men
I used to love looking for new phones but it just gets more and more depressing when even entry level phones are 6.5" and up.
Guess it’s time to buy 10 year old high end phones.
If you want a small phone, then look for rugged ones. There are a lot of options with screen sizes all the way down to sub 4". Finding one with android 12 or 13 might take some work, but they are out there.
If it makes you feel any better, apparently the Pixel 8 “only” has a 6.1 inch screen.
That’s why I use Z Fold now. Small phone width when folded, big ass screen when you’re lounging and have the other hand free to use the phone. I can’t even use the regular slab phone now because I’m used to the narrow cover screen.
People say that the phone is thick when folded but I found out that it made the phone easier to hold due to its thickness. I’m also the kind of guy who uses a phone for the long term, my previous phone was a ROG Phone 2 that I used for four years. I decided to upgrade because most of my work now is done on my phone while I’m out and about and having a larger screen to review some documents has been a lifesaver for me.
Get a flip phone.
I feel like the most early Reddit feel of Lemmy is the abundance of users who adopt Apple hate as a personality trait.
I don’t hate Apple because in most probability I’ll never use their products.
However I fucking hate Android makers for following whatever dumb trends Apple introduces.
Give back our headphone jacks you motherfuckers!
Is it possible that it only feels that way because you’ve adopted Apple love as a personality trait? Cuz it’s a rather mild Pooh meme.
It was just a mild observation from someone who was on Reddit since the earlier days.
Cmon dude, have you not been in any of the threads that remotely concern Apple? Lemmy absolutely seethes at the notion that anyone might actually prefer Apple products.
And before you call me a fan boy, I’m literally typing this on a Samsung phone while playing games on my windows PC. you don’t have to be an Apple obsessed fan boy to find the circle jerk annoying
I like the stock.
I am not a cat.
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You think that’s bad, wait till you get into the Windows hate and Linux circlejerk.
It’s just a fact that there are things in windows that are just objectively bad. No matter if in Terms of User experience or in terms of privacy.
Same with Apple tbf
Yeah, at least it’s easier to disable trackers on apple(as I heard. I never used it.
Its not just hating on Apple, its hating on anything that isnt Linux.
Well, Apple uses a Unix like OS, that have a lot of nice things in common with Linux.
Not UNIX-like, iOS is real UNIX.
Not really
Never seen any FreeBSD hate around here.
That’s the exception.
Never seen any OpenBSD or Haiku hate, either. Maybe people just don’t like having their computers controlled by a giant corporation.
I am a PC/Android user, always have been. I am a hard apple hater, I’ve tried to keep up with the new devices though, and I’ve also repaired them in the past. I hate apple mostly due to just not liking to be locked on my device (lack of customization but that has been getting better AFAIK), the fact that the phone feels boring, the overpricing, the not friendly right to repair, the stupid lightning ports (Thanks EU), the “elitist” feeling…
But god damn are these new SOCs making me reconsider… I was already very pleasantly surprised with the Mac computers recently. I think apple silicon is just waaaay ahead at the moment. If competition doesn’t catch up somehow soon, I think apple’s monopoly will only grow.
Also, AMD over Nvidia. Not saying it’s better, but I’ll always go team red. Just like Apple, I hate nvidia’s business practices.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t mind a good Apple bash for time to time, just saying this feels like Reddit of old. But yeah their fucking silicone is fucking crazy, who would’ve imagined a decade ago being like I prefer Apple for the hardware.
The M1 Mac book is my daily over Linux now. It’s a wonderful machine, it’s only concession is gaming can be a pain/not worth it. I like the “hobby” of it, but I know it’s not for every one.
Got to love Apple for choosing to go with the Metal api over Vulkan.
Yeah I must say vulkan would’ve been sweet. But apple is big enough to mane metal work I guess… Time will tell, but I’ve never been closing to jumping aboard the apple train. Even though it kinda feels weird to me just thinking about it haha
I don’t hate. I just laugh.
I personally like a lot of things Apple has done but I don’t like how they do things and the level of control they try to maintain on my device (read: their customer’s device)
I have seen a lot of hate along those lines, with people easily admitting that Apple silicon is good in a lot of ways
It’s just as exhausting as you’d imagine teenage contrarians would be.
That just sweeps the shit apple is notorious for under the rugh doesn’t it
Both iPhone 15 models were good iterative updates in my opinion. Nothing groundbreaking, sure, but Apple finally adopting both USB-C and AV1 is great to see and the programmable action button on the pro models is a nice addition as well.
USB-C should have never been a “finally” moment for a giant like Apple.
I mean yeah, adopting USB-C is great (even though they only did it because of the backlash in the EU), but…
“While the new standard iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus are equipped with a USB-C port, data transfer over a cable remains limited to USB 2.0 speeds of up to 480 Mbps, which is equal to the Lightning port on previous iPhones.”
Only the iPhone 15 Pro and iPhone 15 Pro Max support USB 3 data transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps over a cable. (Cable/adapter sold separately.)
So the speeds are still being throttled.
Plus, both the iPhone 15 and iPhone 15 Plus are at a 60Hz refresh rate. Idk if I’d consider these “good iterative updates” tbh.
They’re not throttling, it’s just a really shitty USB controller (what they were using with lightning). Still sad imo but ultimately who the hell is even using the USB port on their phone to transfer data?
Alot of people.
Fair point. Them not at least using USB 3 across the line up is silly and I don’t really see what they gain from doing it apart from maybe saving a cent in production.
But on the other hand I don’t think it matters either. The vast majority of people probably don’t plug their phone in for anything but charging and the few people that record large video files on their phone will probably get a pro model either.
So yeah USB 2 speeds are silly and I don’t want to defend a trillion dollar company for saving a cent on production but I don’t think it matters either.
Creating revenue streams is far more valuable than cutting costs.
Apple does a phenomenal job in providing solutions to problems they created in the first place.
- Get rid of ports on the computer ➡️ Buy adapters
- Get rid of the headphone jack ➡️ Buy AirPods
- Proprietary lightning port ➡️ Buy more unstandardized cables/adapters
- No expandable memory ➡️ Buy an iCloud subscription
- No spare/replaceable battery ➡️ Buy a battery replacement service
- Little thing breaks ➡️ Shoulda bought AppleCare to make it somewhat less expensive
Apple’s build quality and usability still curb stomps anything within miles of the same features.
usability
I can do way more useful things on Android than I can on iPhone, things you’d have to jailbreak the iPhone for. There’s a reason iPhones are popular with grandmas, teens, and others who just want a phone that does phone things easily, and there’s also a reason they are not that popular with hardcore nerds who like to fuck around with their devices. It’s a phone that targets a specific type of person. There’s nothing wrong with that. People see “usability” differently. Some people see it as “ease of use”. Others care more about what is possible to do with it. It’s just like the Windows/Linux thing.
I agree but I think they meant ease of use and ability to “just do” things
This is a genuine question that I’ve asked android users and never had a response that isn’t vague and hand-wavy.
What things do you do on your android device that can’t be done without a jailbreak in the apple ecosystem? I’m looking for things beyond visual changes or things that a user would only use once in a blue moon.
I would love a better understanding, please and thank you
Fairly certain these can’t be done on iPhone but correct me if I’m wrong:
- Multi window/split screen -AFAIK you can only do this on iPad
- custom home screen/launcher: the icons on a grid both bores and overwhelms me, so I use a minimalist launcher with a few shortcuts and app drawer for the rest
- removable SD card. Sure, storage is getting better on phones, but the ability to pop a 2TB micro SD in my phone and keep offline copies of whatever I like for times I have no service is absolutely crucial to me (SD slot depends on what phone you have ofc, some manufacturers ditched it)
- home screen widgets
- notifications are superior on android
- USB 3.0 speed data transfer with no additional software, to any device that can accept a USB stick
- third party apps and app stores
- being able to install apps I develop for my own personal use without paying for a developer account, having to list it on the store, or having to reinstall it every few weeks
- ability to run Firefox with extensions
- multiple accounts for the same app without needing to log in and out
- USB OTG
- game emulators
- can safely browse tor
Depending on what model and manufacturer you go with,
- reverse wireless charging
- headphone jack
- ip68 rating
- call screening
- dual sim
What things do you do on your android device that can’t be done without a jailbreak in the apple ecosystem?
I mentioned having to jailbreak them to be able to do some of the things stock Android can do. Sideloading and the ability to be used like a flash drive and have direct access to the filesystem when plugged into a computer are some of the things I use regularly.
Jailbreaking is also risky. It’s a good way for Apple to have an excuse to brick your shit on the next update if they decide to for “security” reasons.
Inside the apple ecosystem the iPhone can also be used as a flash drive. Between airdrop, connecting it directly to my mac and iCloud Drive I have never once not been able to get files on or off my device (with no need for third party apps I might add)
You mentioned side loading. What are you side loading? Give me examples of what you’re installing? I want a compelling reason to ditch my iPhone so I’m not paying what amounts to the cost of a computer every few years.
Inside the apple ecosystem
And there’s the rub. The entire world doesn’t use Apple. I need to be able to plug it in at work or something, have the Windows PC there automatically recognize and mount it, drag files to it, take it home, and then plug it into my Linux box and grab the files.
As for your second question, it’s usually “naughty” apps like Youtube Vanced, IT utilities and tools made by individuals who only offer an APK download and aren’t in the store, or my own little hobby project apps.
A big one for me is Youtube Revanced. It has become invaluable for me as it is actually better than Youtube Premium because of the SponsorBlock integration. I’m also able to still be logged in and have access to my “watch later” list and feed. Both of these things can also be achieved by Firefox with full extensions support on Android, but the App’s usability is higher and supports 60FPS video out of the box, unlike the Firefox solution.
Half of my apps are side-loaded including the one I’m typing this on.
Yes, Apple targets a particular type of person that happens to be the majority of the population. For us, usability just means frictionless ease of use.
No
Yeah this is basically what they used to call the S series. Have people already forgotten that Apple runs on a tick tock release schedule?
Cue my coworkers, who watched to glean hints at databases they can break into. For forensic purposes.
They announce that on their PR events??
No but they would make guesses on where the “juicy databases” might be when new features or improvements would be showcased.
Honestly, Apple’s not doing too shabby. Could they have better consumer policies? Yeah, definitely. They seem to be getting a lot better though; enough so that I’m genuinely tempted to switch to an iPhone the next time I get a new phone (probably won’t be for several years, but yanno).
The big thing that’s holding me back is that you still have to jump through hoops to side-load apps. Given the state of the Google Play store, I can forgive Apple for being extremely strict about what can or can’t go on the app store; however, I would like a way to side-load apps without having to do the weird song and dance currently associated with it.
Apple, you don’t have to have an open app store like Google, you just have to let me install unapproved apps via my PC and I’ll be happy.
Pretty sure the EU is doing something about this too iirc.
Yep.
Sideloading is supposedly on the way. No ETA though.
They have to comply until 6 March 2024 under the Digital Markets Act, so hopefully we should see sideloading very soon. Fingers crossed
So it’ll come on the 5th, got it.
Me knowing apple is the #1 abuser of stock buybacks.
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For their fall events, I’m happy to get a 2-paragraph synopsis. But I love the WWDC keynotes because of the Craig Federighi moments
The memes afterwards tho!
Can confirm. 😉
And despite some apple fanatics not caring about any of the announcements, they’ll most likely still end up buying the latest apple product the second they have the time and money.
I will never understand people who buy apple products. I have used apple, android and pinephone and settled on android as its cheap and gets all the basic functions like calls, music and gaming work without any issues.
They work consistently, with very little direct maintenance, and have excellent in-person support. You don’t have to figure out if it’s a hardware or software problem.
Tbh I never had an issue with any of the phones except Pinephone but thats in early stages so its expected. May be its just baby boomers who get "issues " with their phone. I never had any of my friends complain about phone issues.
I had phones simply not work after an update.
We are talking about a broad issue, not one off like a single user being affected.
It’s easier for the non tech savy person to keep in a working state, Android depending on the OEM and Windows come with a lot of bullshit that the average person don’t know how to uninstall and avoiding accumulation of bloatware, even simple things like unchecking a checkbox on an instalation wizard are a mystery for most people.
Apple restrictive environment ends up removing a lot of footguns.
Are you saying apple has no bloatware ?
Really? I’ll give you a clue, it’s the same reason why people buy gucci clothes. Or rolex watch.
its like people don’t remember macos 8
One of my favorite arguments from apple haters is “omg people still buy this new stuff every year!!!”
…yeah? Some people have older iPhones (like me with an 11) and are just upgrading lmao, it’s dense to assume that everyone is upgrading just because
What’s the oldest iphone supported by ios 16?
The iphone 8
I got an mi max 2 from the same era, running android 13, thanks to crDroid
Maintainer is even working on a newer kernel to allow android 14 to run
It’s honestly running better than ever, UI usability is on par with way newer phones running 60hz
This is the problem with a restrictive ecosystem which has no room for development
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