I feel that I’m being manipulated. The headlines about this story used to be “Singer gets punished with 74 lashes for violating some religious law”. Now I find out that you can just avoid the lashes by paying a fine. It’s like saying “man faces prison for going 10km/h over the speed limit” because if you don’t pay a fine, you eventually end up in prison.
And even in this story that reveals that you choose between paying a fine and corporal punishment, I feel manipulated. 100 MILLION troman sounds like a lot, but it turns out it’s just 730 bucks.
How incredibly gross and blatant, this consent manufacturing machine. I guess it doesn’t need to be subtle, people only remember headlines. Damage done, mission successful. Maybe war on Iran is good actually. We’ll get it right this time.
100 MILLION troman sounds like a lot, but it turns out it’s just 730 bucks.
Using pure currency conversion, sure.
The average annual income of an urban household was approximately 3.432 billion rials
Sauce. Evidently there’s a factor of 10 difference between these two denominations, so you’re talking about 1/3 of the average household’s income. For Muricans, that’s around $27k.
What the fuck what legal system exchanges $10 a lash???
Is that any different than paying bail?
Yes. Bail is just a bond on your own head. The court keeps it if you don’t show up, and you get it back if you do.
iran should really layoff the “blasphemy sharia laws” since they currently have a good PR thing going on because of trump.
When you look at videos of Iran, the headscarf laws are clearly not enforced at all. So I am betting this woman did something different than just not wearing a headscarf like criticizing the government
She was filming the video for her song “A Dream Of Freedom”, so yeah, the government was already not a big fan
Bro, that’s propaganda from a tyrannical government. Listen to any Iranian that managed to escape! They want all their government leaders dead, though they may not want to say it out of “decency”
In other news, Iran is at war with America and its stooges following a failed coup attempt by America and its stooges.
A fine? Does the religion carve out exceptions in exchange for money, or do they just disregard the religion in exchange for money?
Either way, it might be interesting if she can (SAFELY) keep doing it at every show and the budget can cover the fines as a business expense. Maybe she could help normalize it a bit. (I assume that would be a good thing, but I admit that I’m pretty ignorant on the topic.)
She could only pay the fine because she had no prior criminal record - it’s mentioned in the article.
You’re referring to this part, right?
[…] her lack of a prior criminal record made it legally possible to convert the 74 lashes into a cash fine.
Does a criminal record include cash fines in Iran, or does she continue having no criminal record?
If it’s like pretty much anywhere else, the fine simply replaces the lashes in the sentencing phase. The conviction happened long before that and is separate.
Perhaps call it an Indulgence?
Tbf if you count Zakat, Islam does let you get away with some sin so long as you give money to people in need, tho I don’t think old men running the government are exactly “people in need.”
You think this money will go to “old men running the government”? It goes into the state’s budget like all other revenue. This complaint is like complaining speeding fines will go to old men running the government.
Whether you agree or disagree with these fines, it’s indisputable that iran still has a more functional, less corrupt government than say, Egypt or Saudi or Kuwait or Iraq or any number of regional US allies
It will go towards missiles which can be shot at Israel in this case. A good cause.
Does thereligioncarve out exceptions in exchange formoney.Fixed it for you.
Every time I want to cheer Iran for making outlr government look like the braindead idiots they are I see some shit like this.
We need plucky heroes fighting the Epstein Class and their Zionist puppeteers, damnit, not the Muslim version of MAGAts.
You can support them against imperialism, while still disagreeing with them as an authoritarian state.
Critical support should never mean complete support.
You can oppose Trump’s war because it hurts the people of Iran the same way you can oppose the Iranian government because it hurts the people. These are not conflicting stances to make.
No, Mia. The religion is 100% imperialist. What this only showed is that Iran is still a capitalist nation first, the religious hazing is only a bonus.
You don’t dethrone an empire with another. That’s what campists do.
Support Iran against American imperialism.
I don’t agree with the Iranian state, but I support them defending themselves against the US/Israel.
Metoo, but I don’t support Islam against people. In this very instance, capitalism won. But if Anita Papist didn’t have money, she would have left with more than just US hazing.
“the religion” being the specific interpretation of Islam promoted by and in Iran?
Why am I being replied to?
I am not confused as to how theocracies work.
Are you denying Islam by doctrine isn’t imperialistic?Are you denying Islam by doctrine isn’t imperialistic?
Yes I deny it. It’s a core part of my belief system and how I was raised and it’s completely uncontroversial among a wide segment of Muslims, if not the vast majority.
Here for example, is a snippet from the translation of the Quran by Leopold Weiss, aka Mohammad Asad:
"This and the following verses lay down unequivocally that only self defence (in the widest sense of the word) makes war permissible for Muslims. Most of the commentators agree in that the expression la ta’tadu signifies, in this context, “do not commit aggression”; while by al-mu’tadin “those who commit aggression” are meant.
The defensive character of a fight “in God’s cause” - that is, in the cause of the ethical principles ordained by God - is, moreover, self-evident in the reference to “those who wage war against you”, and has been still further clarified in 22:39 - “permission [to fight] is given to those against whom war is being wrongfully waged” - which, according to all available Traditions, constitutes the earliest (and therefore fundamental) Qur’anic reference to the question of jihad, or holy war (see Tabari and Ibn Kathir in their commentaries on 22:39).
That this early, fundamental principle of self-defence as the only possible justification of war has been maintained throughout the Qur’an is evident from 60:8, as well as from the concluding sentence of 4:91, both of which belong to a later period than the above verse.
In view of the preceding ordinance, the injunction “slay them wherever you may come upon them” is valid only within the context of hostilities already in progress (Razi), on the understanding that “those who wage war against you” are the aggressors or oppressors (a war of liberation being a war “in God’s cause”).…
This is completely uncontroversial and you can find however many mainstream Muslims you want who believe in these exact words as explained by Weiss. Here is the mainstream Sunni influencer Adnan Ibrahim saying verbatim “the Quran is very very clear that there is no justification for war except in self defence.” This guy is a totally normal sunni conservative. Here is the Grand Mufti of Tripoli making the same point on Saudi tv. He explicitly states that religiously jihad is to be done only in self defence, and that this is different from what he calls “jihad by demand/order” which is fighting for a state. Again: totally regular conservative establishment guy not any kind of radical renegade thinker. This is why far right movements and thinkers in the Islamic world went to such lengths to justify attacks on the US and others by arguing that as democracies the entire population is culpable, and that by stationing military bases in Arab countries and supporting Arab dictators, they have initiated the war. That’s the standard terrorist group argument
The case of Iran’s interpretation is imperialistic: a woman was threatened with assault for not wearing something the empire demands. This was authoritarian and hazing.
imperialism describes a relationship between a country and the rest of the world. the us is imperialist because it subjugates and loots other countries. how it treats its own people on its own territory has nothing to do with whether it is imperialist. iran is not imperialist because it does not subjugate and loot other countries. how it treats its own people on its own territory has nothing to do with whether it is imperialist.
the us is impirialist because there is a us empire. iran is not imperialist because there is no iranian empire.
absolutely agreed on iran’s interpretation
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You obviously do not know what “Imperialism” means. You’re not automatically right just because you use fancy big terms, especially if you use them incorrectly.
And you’re going to educate us why Iran’s usage of Islam isn’t.
Because a musician wasn’t threatened at all, right rightSo “imperialism” is when you threaten musicians? Thanks for proving my point.
I feel like you meant authoritrian instead, but that doesn’t change the fact that they are mental
There are definetely cool middle-eastern countries/regions like DAANES, but Iran isn’t exactly it.
Empire don’t discriminate. They attack “bad” countries as well as “good” countries. The simple act of defense against aggression does not automatically make someone the paragon of freedom and justice, despite what some “leftists” like to think. Imperialism is not the only “sin” a country can commit. It’s a bully being attacked by a bigger bully.
No such thing as a bad country. Just bad governments/organizations.
Regular people can be complicit in their government’s actions. Like americans for example.
Or how 75% of Israelis approve of their government and think they should continue the genocide.
I view them as the same as our 33% that will always view Trump favorable regardless of how much self harm that involves.
Which is utterly damning to the concept of Israel. As if their state level actions haven’t already damned them enough.
you jewish conspiracy fundamentalists have some shitty friends
i bet you agree with piker that the copilot knife attack on dubai air was a jewish conspiracy
reality is difficult
You either become the hero you want to see,
Remember, the only reason these religions nut jobs are in power is because the UK and US overthrow Iran’s secular democracy for a pro west dictator. We killed off every left thinking person while secretly training and funding right wing theological factions as a region destabilizing force.
Yep, says right here in chapter 23, thou shalt not forsake thy hijab, unless thou hast money.
When you inject religion into your laws, paying fines begins to feel like bribing god. They’re undermining themselves here.
If the world wasn’t watching in disgust, they would have flogged her to death. The fine was the government’s way out without losing face.
See… it’s not an affront to the religion if you pay hard cash.
Pathetic.
100 million Tomans is about $73.RIALS is $73, TOMANS is $730.
As far as I can tell online, 100 million Iranian Rials is about $73. And there are ten toman to a rial. So maybe it’s more like $730. But I also found this on a reddit thread in /iran
Officially, 10 Rials is one Toman. But very unofficially, toman can erase as many zeros as you want based on the context. Talking about a bottle of water? 2 toman means 2000 tomans. Talking about something a bit more expensive, like a rug? 20 tomans means 20 000 000 tomans. Talking about something very very expensive like a house? 4 toman means 4 000 000 000 tomans.
Since this is a large number and it’s in the news, that probably doesn’t apply. It sounds more like street vernacular. But it tells me that I really don’t know anything about Iranian money.
You’re right, I missed the rials part! Editing the post as that’s a considerable amount of money.
Wrong way, 10 Tomans to 1 Rial means 100,000,000 Tomans = 10,000,000 Rials = $7.30Nevermind, I read the other comment wrong.
She paid a ~642eur fine.
That is an absolutely bonkers alternative to being beaten to death. Like why are those the two options?
She would not have been beaten to death. They split the lashes punishments into as many sessions as needed for the person to survive. So instead of 74 lashes at once (guaranteed death), she’d have to take like 15 lashes 5 times.
Very considerate. I was beginning to think they’re cruel.
10 years ago, I would immediately know this is satire, now I’m not so sure.
It’s ~1.5 times the average monthly salary in Tehran. Comparable sum in NYC would be ~9-10k USD
Compared to potential death, it’s still a small price.
Of course
Not just death, death by torture.
The state media would paint her paying the fine as an act of submission to the law and the government, as a “proof” that she is a coward who doesn’t stand by her beliefs.
It’s an attempt to discredit the rebels, basically like a Russian practice of forcing troublemakers to record an “apology” video under the barrel of a gun (just outside of frame).
It’s not (supposed to be) to death; there is some thought put into the affair being survivable. It’s still horrible mind you, but it generally won’t kill you. As for why, one guess I’d make is that it’s a way to make money by imposing the choice of paying a fine or enduring harsh punishment.
But don’t most lashings top out at like 10? I don’t know what kind of whips they use for it, but if it’s a proper one I don’t think much of a back would remain after 74 strikes.
Yeah it’s not a proper whip. I can’t find a clear picture or description of it, but basically this (picture of a man getting whipped) is what you’re looking at.
“Cake or death” was supposed to be humor, not real life.
Is 74 lashes likely to cause death?
More like guaranteed.
One of the few benefits of living in the country with the most devaluated coin in the world: the price of fines is generally updated more slowly than inflation and the result is that fines become peanuts
Am I missing something? It said 100 million tomans, which I punched into a currency converter and got 10 USD
I’m assuming it’s a volatile currency, as now that fine sits at ~338euro, but it shouldn’t be 10usd. Someone more knowledgeable/familiar with should confirm this, I just did some google fu.
Guys am I just down bad or is she actually that beautiful?
you are down bad. also, she is quite beautiful.
We are all down bad, and she’s gorgeous.
I had to conduct some research before deciding.
Results inconclusive, further research required.
Results inconclusive, further research required
Classic westoid behaviour 👌. Perving on Middle Eastern women in a thread about how the evil patriarchy in Iran subjugates women. It’s true that westoids will never be happy in life until every woman on earth ends up on pornhub. If you can’t google hot pics of ladies in your society then is your society even functional?
Your natural instinct is to perv on the woman and imply you need to see her naked to establish her hotness. And you lack the self awareness to see how your society socialized you into this monkey behaviour where every woman is an attainable piece of ass online. Like an entire society afflicted with Tinder-brain. Objectify, Commodify, rate hotness, see if porn available, move on to the next one.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
Persian men are also beautiful.
And the accent!
Go google how Persian women look like. They are absolutely gorgeous.
It’s:
What * looks like
OR
How * looksIt’s never “how * looks like” (Replace looks with any other relevant word). Always “What like”, never “How like”.
That is genuinely wholesome and nice of you. Thanks for explaining how to apply that rule.
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I know it’s stupid, but I’m relieved for the girl. 74 lashes seems a little much. and of course other people have died over this and other “Islamic law”, if she had said “I’m atheist” or “I’m gay” she’d be long dead.
To me, it’s so horrible that I can’t research Iran et al for long without having to tap out
So the poors receive lashes I see
Fuck these stupid ass religions forcing their beliefs on people. Your god is a lie made up by the ruling class to control you and get you to die in their wars.
Or in this case, pay money.
Ethno states should be abolished. Both Iran and Israel
