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TLDR Wagner returning to positions after deal is met with the Kremlin. Wagner will sign a contract with the Defense Ministry. All charges against Prigozhin will be dropped.
“When you play the game of thrones, you either win or you die.”
I am very sceptical of this. Lukashenko brokered a deal? He’s a Putin puppet, why would Prigozhin cut a deal with him? What would that deal look like? Does Prigozhin become head of the MoD or Putins designated successor? He’s right there outside Moscow, he has the leverage, why would he blink?
Putin called him a traitor, an enemy of the state, why would Putin back down from that point, he already looks weak, why look weaker via a U-turn? Prigozhin must know he’s a dead man if he backs down, he knows the play book, why would he trust in the deal?
Was the whole thing a psy-op to give Putin an out? Was the voice recording that is the ultimate source of all this a Russian State propaganda play? Is it a play by Wagner to buy time to consolidate his forces before he moves on Moscow? But then, he has to be the one to move fast and hard…
Whatever is going on, we don’t know. Next 5-24hrs will be key.
He’s a Putin puppet
A common misconception.
Lukashenko has been around longer the Yeltsin. Putin, Medvedev, and Putin 2: Electric Boogaloo. I would bet money that he’ll be around after Putin’s demise as well - whenever that will be.
As much of an idiot lackey as he seems - he’s always been to squeeze what he wants out of Russia while squeezing from the West as well. Visa relationships, for example - are a good metric for international diplomacy. Americans can travel visa-free through Minsk Airport for up to 30 days. Think about that. And also - he’s managed to survive his own coup/revolution attempts. And yes, with Russia’s support - but he’s still done it.
The war put him in a precarious balancing act where has simultaneously play nice with Moscow without getting Belarusian troops actually involved in battle. It keeps him in power.
I’m not saying Luka is smart or cunning. But he’s maintained power for 30+ years. He’s experienced in it.
why would Prigozhin cut a deal with him?
Nobody knows.
But I’m speculating Belarus offered him something very special. Maybe Moscow will oust Shoigu, and Belarusian ‘diplomacy’ will be seen as legitimate.
A distracted Moscow would be a premium opportunity for Belarusian activists and freedom fighters to organize another revolution. Last night, Lukashenko flew his family to Turkey. So… we can speculate as to how confident Luka was feeling.
Was the whole thing a psy-op to give Putin an out?
The “out” would’ve been for Putin to recall troops to Moscow to ‘deal with the Wagner problem’. It would’ve given him an out and he would’ve seemed competent to do so.
Afterwards, he can say “its clear need to fix problems in the Russian military before we can help our lost brothers in Ukraine” and call an indefinite ceasefire. Then funnel money into military development indefinitely, like a fascist does.
But that’s not what’s happening… Wagner might just go back to fighting in Ukraine later today.
The news is happening at lightning speed. Nobody knows what’s going on. Absolutely wild times.
Fair points all in.
The long and the short will hang on wether Prigozhin has loyalists installed at the head of FSB, Ministery of Interior, and Ministery of Defence…
If not, It’ll rank amongst the biggest blunders in Russian political history, and Prigozhin will be dead in short order.
If yes, Prigozhin basically is in control of the Russian Federation in all but name.
If not, It’ll rank amongst the biggest blunders in Russian political history, and Prigozhin will be dead in short order.
My money’s on ‘blunder’. However, I don’t see Prigozhin being killed anytime soon. The criminal case against him was closed and he’s moving to Belarus. He’s incredibly popular - especially amongst Russian Ultranationalists, they’d risk martyring him.
Then again, moving to Belarus - he would be freer to criticize Russian Federation from a comfortable distance… and would be a thorn. TBD, I guess.
At what point, if ever, in Russian politics has self-canibalisation been a problem for them?
Putin has thrown down against Prigozhin, brought Alltwen arms of State to bare… and allowed him to walk away…?
If you think he’s blundered I would caution about underestimating him, a brutal, ruthless bastard… for sure, but not a fool…
If he was a fool he wouldn’t have got to the position he has at Wagner in the first place…!
My gut feeling is that this is a burn after reading moment.
If there’s anything following politics has taught me, is that fools can be highly effective with a little bit of luck.
And I agree with you. Fool or not, I wouldn’t underestimate the guy.
We definitely live in interesting times. I really can’t even guess at what might actually be going on or about to happen; will this just fizzle out, or will things go sideways (even more) in Russia?
The out is just to blame all of the failures on Wagner. The Russian military is strong! It was Wagner that wasted all our equipment. They are the reason we lost.
The trouble is a significant number of people outside Moscow either stood down and let Wagner through or actively joined their convoy.
Makes me think this was a test to see who’d defect.
I’ve wondered that, but I think really that’s more of an opportunity than a plan. Even then, it’s a sketchy one, given how much support Wagner apparently has.
This could have been an email.
I just asked Chat GPT to write this lol it turned out super wordy, but made me laugh to imagine that.
Subject: Resignation and Relocation: Charting a New Course
Dear President Putin,
I hope this email finds you in good health and high spirits. With a heavy heart, I write to tender my resignation as the head of Wagner, effective immediately. Please allow me to explain the reasoning behind this decision and outline my future plans.
Throughout my tenure at Wagner, it has been an immense honor to lead our dedicated mercenaries in service to our beloved country. Together, we have undertaken countless missions, safeguarding our nation’s interests. However, recent developments have given rise to an increasing misalignment with the Russian generals, most notably Defense Minister Shoigu. This misalignment has significantly impeded my ability to contribute effectively, causing a sense of professional disillusionment.
In light of these circumstances, I have made the decision to relocate to Belarus, a nation that has captured my attention with its unique prospects and conducive environment. This move represents an opportunity for personal rejuvenation and the exploration of new horizons.
Although I am stepping down as the head of Wagner, I want to assure you of my unwavering dedication to our shared cause. Consequently, I have chosen to leave behind a select group of highly capable and devoted mercenaries who may be interested in joining the esteemed ranks of the Russian military. I trust that, under the guidance of the current leadership, they will continue to excel and make significant contributions to our collective goals.
I am deeply grateful for the support and guidance you have provided me throughout my tenure at Wagner. Your unwavering commitment to our nation’s well-being has served as a constant inspiration. I am confident that under your astute leadership, Russia will continue to flourish and thrive.
I kindly request your understanding and approval of my resignation, along with any necessary arrangements that may be required during this transitional phase. This email serves as my formal notification, and I am prepared to provide any additional information or assistance as necessary.
Once again, I express my heartfelt appreciation for the opportunities entrusted to me and the confidence you have placed in my abilities. It has been an extraordinary journey, and I look forward to embracing new challenges and opportunities with a sense of anticipation and optimism.
Thank you for your attention, President Putin.
Yours sincerely,
Yevgeny Prigozhin
Former Head of Wagner
Fake out of the century
What do you mean?
Just that this is a wild turnaround to happen in 24 hours. I think everyone was expecting this to be much larger.
I think he thought was going to get support from Russia’s military and he didn’t, so this is the best he can get without getting him getting MIA’ed.
Straight to the KIA. He’s not getting out of this.
I do not think that he is that naive that he thinks that he has chances now to stay alive after all this.
Some analysts are waiting to see a withdrawal before they actually believe one is happening.
What do your analysts say now?
What could the deal possibly entail that would make them immediately turn back? So curious
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“An agreement was reached on the return of PMC Wagner to their locations. Part of those who will wish to do so, will sign contracts with the Ministry of Defense — this concerns those who did not take part in the march, indeed, there were such formations which, from the very beginning, changed their minds and returned. They even requested to be escorted by the traffic police and other assistance in order to return to their permanent locations,”
more $$$
Careful with that window, Eugene
I wonder what was said in the meeting because wager was steam rolling. It smells like it was preplanned with the Russian state
People say this, but how does any of this benefit Russia?
They passed a law to allow Conscripts to fight now. That’s my only guess is if they can use this as an excuse to do a full mobilization and finish the Ukrainian situation.
Sure let’s give people who are unwilling to fight in Putin’s war a weapon, train them how to use it, and hope for the best… just after everyone saw a Wagner mutiny march towards Moscow with little to no resistance.
What could possibly go wrong?
History nerds feeling like this is analogous to the glory days of the great Red Army might want to do a little reading about what happened in Russia in 1917.
The hobgoblin priggy is a walking corpse. You think Saruman would tolerate one of his “white hands” rebelling? Wagner is toast, and it’s going to be enjoyable watching these orcs butcher their own.
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Well putin still has rockets he can rain down on them if he chose to and unlike ukraine they dont have western rockets to defent them…i think prigozhin better learn to fly soon…and mercs are generally a bad idea unless you run them…
and mercs are generally a bad idea unless you run them…
Well the entire affair is basically a Prigozin response to Russia wanting to run them closer so they do know that. Interestingly enough his gamble was apparently to check if Russian government is really as weak as western and UA media says and the support in army is crumbling. It turned out that propaganda is wishful thinking and nobody outside Wagner Group supported the endeavour and afaik even a lot of Wagner personnel said they didn’t sign up for that.
But, neither side could just admit they were in wrong so that’s why Lukashenko proposal came in and now they can just talk and resolve it one way or another.
