Elon lied about the monkeys — and he shouldn’t be trusted to put his Neuralink chips in human brains.
“They are claiming they are going to put a safe device on the market, and that’s why you should invest,” Ryan Merkley at the Physicians Committee, told Wired. “And we see his lie as a way to whitewash what happened in these exploratory studies.”
Really heartbreaking reading what happened to the monkeys.
People quite rightly think of Elizabeth Holmes as a fraud for making false medical claims about what the Theranos machines could do. So why aren’t Elon’s claims at Neuralink being held to the same level of scrutiny?
https://futurism.com/neoscope/terrible-things-monkeys-neuralink-implants
anyone letting elon put a chip in their brain is a moron.
Or desperate. Forget the investors, Elon lied to those who saw it as a last ditch effort to beat their diseases.
Ah damn I didn’t think of that. I feel for them, but elon is the last person they should trust for that. I don’t honestly know who they should trust these days. But techbros aren’t one of them.
As a general rule of thumb, you should trust that a tech bro will con you by taking a normal idea and throwing around a bunch techno jargon to make it seem like cutting edge technology.
Yup. You have to be a special kind of trusting to allow a company to modify your brain.
Banal attempts at mind control, crude as they are, are bad enough already.
Honestly, interface chips in our brains would be a logical step at some point in the future. But hell would need to freeze, then thaw, then freeze over again before I trust anything of elons being inserted in my brain.
It’s the same people who think the covid vaccine puts a microchip in them. Go figure.
Also known as republicans / conservatives
i don’t particularly wish torture on anyone but if any of his techbro dipshit followers want to sign up…
Maybe they need the brains of their patients to have fewer wrinkles and have been playing 5D chess this whole time to ensure that happens
Let’s not pretend Musk has fucking clue what’s going on or the science behind it.
He isn’t down in trenches making discoveries. That’s just the image he presents.
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
He’s been doing it since PayPal.
He’s not a genius, he just has enough money to get actual geniuses to work for him.
Someone put it well, if insensitively, about Sam Bankman Fried (FTX etc):
Not actually smart but just LARP-ing the “Aspy genius” persona.
However accurate that take is or offensive, I think it captures something about how nerd culture has gone mainstream and how it’s perceived.
‘nerd’ has disappeared as an insult now that we’re all on the computer all the time
As The Boys lovingly put it so many years ago, “nerds is cool now and jocks is pumping our gas.”
I think that’s pretty romanticised.
Assuming they leave their home town many end up in sales or similar making really good money.
He buys companies and lets the actually competent people do the work while claiming credit.
Sometimes he actively interferes with those competent people too.
@Lmaydev @ajsadauskas
Peter Thiel sacked him as a PayPal boss?
He didn’t “invent” Paypal.It was formed by merging his company X with Confinity. All he did was profit off it but many people seem to think he created it.
LMFAO, I had no idea this wasn’t even the first time he called his dumb company X. He really is obsessed with that letter.
He was just looking for a reason to use the domain name I’m pretty sure.
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@HughJanus @ajsadauskas and I adore your name, Hugh
@ajsadauskas @technology
I was astounded to read Neuralink is to be permitted to experiment on humans. Instead they should have any animal experiment licences revoked.Why? We already have brain interface links that do similar damage to neuralink, this isnt unusual or unexpected. In its current form it is rightfully used on terminal patients with locked-in syndom. In other words, people before it damaged their brain in a meaningful way and whom cant be further paralyzed.
It would give these people a chance at someinteraction with the real world… What happened with the monkeys was about in line with other neural interfaces, its a consequence of the limits of the tech not negligence.
I hear the full self driving mode of the brain chips come out next year.
I’m not well-versed on the subject, but can locked-in patients consent to these risks? How do we know they want to risk getting these life-threatening side effects?
@freemo @ajsadauskas @technology
If there are already such implants why licence a company that seems less than, um, straight.Point is what happened the monkeys is perfectly normal and expected… so nothing “not straight” about that (other than the sadness of animal testing)…
That said I dont like them as a companya nd wouldnt buy an implant off of them if I needed one, sure… but you’d need a pretty solid objective reason to actually block them.
Headline:
TERRIBLE THINGS HAPPENED TO MONKEYS AFTER GETTING NEURALINK IMPLANTS, ACCORDING TO VETERINARY RECORDS
What are these terrible things?
Up to a dozen monkeys suffered grisly fates after receiving a Neuralink implant, including brain swelling and partial paralysis.
First is the case of the monkey “Animal 20.” In December 2019, an internal part of the brain implant being inserted into the primate “broke off” during surgery. Later that night, the monkey scratched at the implant site, drawing blood, and yanked on the implant, partially dislodging it. Follow-up surgery discovered that the wound was infected, but that the placement of the implant prevented treatment. The monkey was euthanized the next month.
Before that, a female monkey designated “Animal 15” began to press her head against the ground after receiving the brain implant, pick at the site until it bled, and eventually lost coordination, shivering when personnel entered the room. Scientists discovered she had brain bleeding, and in March 2019, she too was euthanized.
The following year, a primate called “Animal 22” was put down in March 2020 after its brain implant became so loose that the screws attaching it to the skull “could easily be lifted out,” according to a necropsy report.
“The failure of this implant can be considered purely mechanical and not exacerbated by infection,” the necropsy states.
As Wired notes, that statement alone seemingly contradicts Musk’s claims that no monkeys directly died from Neuralink brain implants.
And so would the account of an ex-Neuralink employee, who told Wired that Musk’s claims that the monkeys were already terminally ill are “ridiculous,” even a “straight-up fabrication.”
“We had these monkeys for a year or so before any surgery was performed,” the ex-employee said.
The testimony of an anonymous scientist conducting research at CNPRC seems to corroborate the ex-employee’s allegations.
“These are pretty young monkeys,” they told the magazine. “It’s hard to imagine these monkeys, who were not adults, were terminal for some reason.”
Not only are monkeys as intelligent as small kids. All monkey species are at least a thousand times as rare as humans.
These experiments sound like they’ve been done by people who don’t know what they’re doing?
Unfortunately, these experiments are being performed by people who know EXACTLY what they’re doing. We’re not in the 1940s any more. Fucking hell. If I had the personal power, I’d gladly rain holy hellfire upon these wholly inexcusable, inexorable, inexcrimentinable human fecal chunks.
Yeah those people suck… Um, listen… I kinda just need to know what inexcrimentinable is supposed to mean
unshittable.
Elon fanboys should be lining up to try this, right?
Yeah, the dumbest and worst people will be dying to get this. I don’t see a problem
Which is why I’m totally okay with it being allowed. If you’re stupid enough to get one then maybe we don’t need you around anymore.
Holy shit, please have them sign up in record numbers! This could turn out to be a service to humanity.
is it possible and or legal to sign up maliciously?
Some, perhaps many will, and without a second thought.
I think Elmo should just volunteer himself.
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Just curious, did this comment originate from mastodon? (Reading this on Lemmy).
The fediverse is beautiful ❤️
It’s beautiful and confusing even though I am a programmer lol
Elon is already dreaming up ways to blame his human test subjects for his failures after they die horrifically from infections, brain bleeds, seizures, and psychosis.
@ajsadauskas @TrismegistusMx I’m guessing something like: “The human test subjects were always going to die (eventually), with or without the brain implant”
"We were experimenting on the elderly and homeless, so we were statistically bound to lose patients due to their expectant mortality!
I’m starting to get portal 2 vibes here
I feel like this is all a given. How they’re legally able to proceed with human testing is just baffling to me.
Being rich nothing else matters in America.
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Bond villains are cool. Elon is not.
$$$$$$$$$
Doesnt that guy lie about everything?
Everyone needs to start treating him with Bizarro rules.
What’s going on with all these @ tags
Mastodon users .
First time I’ve seen a post from that side of the verse. This seems pointless and harder to read than standard Lemmy 😅 I’m assuming the mastadon UI makes it make more sense.
That’s probably one of the biggest cancers of mastodon at the moment; because of the near-useless search functionality, you have to spam hashtags everywhere. Thankfully it’s being patched out but for the time being it’s just something you have to put up with.
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Cancer is a great way to describe it.
Chip Elon and put him through what he put the monkeys through. Same conditions.
Chip him and send him to Mars.
Make him drive to the launchpad in a Model X on full “auto pilot” too
Rename him Xelon Musx
nah just fire him into the sun already ✨
Elon has a history of lying that’s as rich as he was before he bought Twitter.
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