You gotta stop counting total users. Only active users should be counted. We know there’s utterly massive numbers of bots being created. Plus people have multiple accounts from trying out different instances even if they’ll only use one.
True. I’ve created at least 4, myself.
People love vanity metrics, though.
Look, I’ve quit Reddit because fuck spez, and now have confirmation bias that needs answering. Just…let me have this.
But the bot + duplicate account numbers keep going up and I really like exponential growth
I have manually counted 20 so far
Yeah, I created an account on a difference instance just because I didn’t know how to post in a community from a different (but federated) instance in this instance.
True, I have 9 accounts so far between instances… I don’t think I’ll make anymore I’m quite comfortable now, but yeah, I inflated the stats. Sorry…
Active users isn’t perfect either, for two reasons:
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Bot accounts can be actively doing things – in fact, it’s likely that they will do so at some point to build legitimacy. We had someone farming regularly-created bot accounts back on /r/europe around the time I left, reposting slightly-mangled old comments and slightly cropped and rotated old highly-upvoted old images. Dozens of accounts a day.
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Some (human) users are just going to lurk, and won’t become active users.
It may be an input into a better estimate, and may be better than total users at this point, but it isn’t the “right” number either, and I would wager that it will start to increasingly deviate from the legitimate number if people start activating bots.
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Good to see, but as with all posts like this, it’s important to note that the really important number is “Active Users” That number has gone up significantly as well, just not as fast as number of accounts.
Yeah this is a good point.
It took me months to actually start using Lemmy and Mastodon. I would consider myself a tech savvy person and it still took a while getting used too. I think there need to be better tutorials linked on the sign-up pages that help people understand the basic concepts. That would help drive true user acquisition.
I just started with mastodon. Lemmy I’m pretty understanding at but do you have any people/ hashtags you reccomend following on mastodon to not make the whole place feel so small and repetitive? I’m interested in pretty much anything.
Honestly, with Mastodon, I’m at the same place. I signed up with a very specific and small instance and it’s a ghost-town. I don’t have the time to search around for content. I’ll probably start looking for a larger default instance and go from there.
I use the advanced UI and have various columns pinned with hashtags I’m interested in. Just jumping in and joining convos, commenting on interesting projects I see etc has worked fine for me, got two accounts on two fairly small servers and they both have very active feeds and lots of engagement.
Pick something you want to talk to people about, and just go for it tbh.
I’m also a “tech savvy” and still trying to understand how all this works…
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If two instances are federated you can access communities on both from either instance.
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Do you need to for some reason? You can subscribe, comment, and post to any community that’s federated with your home instance.
If you’re on Lemmy.ml and the comm you want to sub to us on Lemmy.world, you should be able to find and subscribe in the “communities” section. As long as it’s filtered for all communities and not just your “local” instance.
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Subscribe pending is a bug, you are subscribed, it just says pending for some reason. I am still pending on a community that I moderate.
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That happens to me as well as I understand it has something to do with federation. Don’t quote me on it.
You join one, you can see, post on, comment on, and subscribe to communities on any server it is federated with. Beehaw.org defederated itself from sh.itjustworksl and lemmy.world a couple weeks ago which is making it confusing for some people. If you are on beehaw.org you can still see old posts on those two from when they were federated, but nothing new and you’re comments on those old posts won’t be posted for other servers to see, and vica versa for sh.itjustworks and lemmy.world users.
You can make an account on beehaw as well if you want, but it gets a bit confusing as to which one you are logged into sometimes.
As a lemmy.world user I type “lemmy.world” into my address bar and do all my browsing from there. You can change your page to look at “all” instead of “local” and see content from all instances it is federated with. Or you can go to “communities” and filter by “all” and see all communities from any instance it is federated with. (As long as one of the lemmy.world users has visited that instance at one point)
No reason to make multiple accounts unless you really want some content from a defederated instance, like beehaw.
What’s considered an “Active User”?
A person who posted/commented in the last 30 days
From the docs: "Lemmy also shows counts of active users for your site, and its communities. These are counted within the last day, week, month, and half year, and are cached on starting up lemmy, and every hour.
An active user is someone who has posted or commented on our instance or community within the last given time frame. For site counts, only local users are counted. For community counts, federated users are included."
https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
I’ve posted more in the week I joined here than I ever did in Reddit.
So 1 time?
Just checked. Yup, one post. Still helping the fediverse in my book.
No worries, you absolutely are! Every bit counts.
maybe wee_butterfly didn’t retain memories from when was a wee_caterpillar
Aww 🦋🐛
some of us might be lurkers and are just here for reading
Most users will lurkers.
How much is bots tho
My spez comic got over 1.5mil views advertising Lemmy yesterday and at least #12 on r/all so I’m hopeful they’re not all bots too :P
You sir are a legend
Thank you for the compliment.
i’ve only been on the platform for a few days but i’ve noticed a decent uptick in content and unique posts. probably still a lot of bots but with a decent surge of users and people getting a handle on the platform there’s been a good bit of activity.
yea track the monthly active users number. It continues to go up. And on lemmy, to be “active”, a user actually has to post, not just sign in and lurk.
Conversely, kbin doesn’t really track active users, so it’s more or less the same as total users.
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hot singles in your area
Where!?
In your area. They already said.
Can they be in my volume instead?
Oooo, is it you? ;)
Yes
Daily active users is a much more reliable statistic due to bots
Source: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats
Yup, came here to say that as well. it’s al bots. The active users graph is much more realistic.
And I’ve been seeing some…odd looking… comments recently from users at instances known for being mostly bots. Some of these comments really look AI generated, and have a suspicious number of upvotes.
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Yeah theres no way lemmy instances that were struggling to scale 2 weeks ago with a few thousand users active are supporting 2.5mill suddenly
beep beep boop
Still showing rather healthy growth!
wow! look at those bots go! go speed racer!
Just wait until Apollo/RIF/etc actually go dark!
I’m waiting for when I open sync for reddit and see a link to sync for lemmy
The web app wefwef.app is actually a really great alternative to apollo for lemmy! I’m using it right now on android, and while it does feel weird with the ui differences it has gestures and the same interface and generally feels really good.
Here’s the link wefwef.app for anyone curious
Holy shit, this is great! Thanks!!!
thank you . I like it.
Yeah once the first hits we’re gonna see a huge spike in users. The growth right now is just from people who deleted their accounts in protest on the 12th.
I stopped “protesting” once it was obvious that reddint doesn’t care. I’ll obviously stop using the site once they cut me off though.
Most never stopped using reddit, but rather used reddit in unsavory ways. Goating all the new rules from blasphemy to nsfw to indefinitely private has had a lot of effect. I mean InterestingAsFuck still has no mods after the admins axed the whole sub. They’re not ready for modless chaos. We won’t see them double back until possible August, then it’ll be too late and the folks will not want to come back. That’s my prediction.
First post, post-Reddit 🥴
I’m enjoying sitting here with popcorn and watching Reddit burn. It’s like viewing someone destroy their company in real-time.
WE LIVE BABY
Welcome!
There was a pretty big jump in active instances, too!
Active daily user count is about 50k.
It shows 50,000 active users per day compared to 2,500,000 total users per day. Most of the difference, presumably, is dormant bot accounts. If they were all activated and started posting one day, they could probably bring the network down.
I’m confused though by the active comments per day being about 100 times the active users per day. Surely users are not commenting 100 times per day on average. Is there something wrong with how the comments are being counted?
The posts count also looks a bit odd, since it means active users are making more than 10 posts a day on average. That seems implausibly high.
“average user posts 100 times per day" actualy just statistical error. average user posts 0 times per day. Feddi Georg, who lives in cave & posts over 10,000 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted
That and some of the active users are also bots. Lemmit.online is a good example; that community is set up to harvest content from Reddit via RSS and then Bots post it into the community. Other users (including bots) can then cross post it to other parts of the Threadiverse. “Lemmit.Online Bot” has made 20.1k posts in 7 days.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there are also hyperactive comment bots out there too.
It’s still an average. The mean average precisely. The modal average is most likely zero but the median average is probably greater than zero.
50k active users is still pretty damn good growth. Weren’t we at like 40k just a week or so ago?
Also, average comments per day was rising fast but as of today it has suddenly slowed down? I’m guessing there must be some kind of bug in the system
Lemmy.world doesn’t synchronized with other instances. Every comments and posts lemmy.world users do are not seen by the other instances. Why? Lemmy.world is still on 0.17, and the other instances are on 0.18 for the majority
Thanks so much for the explanation. It was very confusing why my posts to startrek were not seen by anybody. I guess I will hold off on lemmy.world for awhile.
good to see but hope the bots can be purged at some point.
Are these real people or bots? So far lemmy and the fediverse have been great experience I like it and won’t go back to reddit. Hope it’s real people and we can enjoy this new fresh start!
I’m a new person that joined within the last few days, so they’re not all bots, that’s for sure.
That’s what a bot would say!!
beep bop boop…
Teehee hee that tickles!
I am too a human who enjoys conversing with other humanoids. I am new but let me say to you I am very flesh blood fellow person.
Good human!
“Today smells like victory! I love pretending to smell. Sniff sniff!”
I think you can somewhat assure that most of them aren’t bots, since bots get banned fairly quickly by mods of instances and most instances have systems to make sure the bot will not pass through so easily
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Daily total = almost all are bots, daily active = almost all are people
Man, so much has changed. Glad I made the switch to Lemmy.
I barely touch Reddit nowadays, I never thought that’d be possible…
Seems like it ink needs a stupid AF CEO to achieve that!
I’m enjoying it so much more with the app development. Devs trying to accomplish the goal of instilling the feeling of Apollo for us refugees coming. I just needed useful communities, with posts that people reply to with more and more information. Reddit still defeats lemmy there but I’m hoping it changes a bit.
This aspect is the most fun part to me. I came over on June 12th and it became clear really early that the devs and admins involved were pretty skilled and genuinely cared about the project.
Watching changes in real time and seeing people begin devoting their time to building the next big thing is very exciting to see.
For the people that have been in the Fediverse for years, sorry for flooding your cool hangout with new users but I’m confident the new attention will be a very good thing for ActivityPub.
gas gas gas
I’m gonna step on the gas TONIGHT I’LL FLY
Push push
Spez gettin sweaty
arms are heavy
Mom’s forgetty
Mom’s spaghetti
Here comes the spag
