• @[email protected]
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    361 year ago

    “Fifty terrorists arrived in vans, dressed in military uniforms,” she said.

    It is not far from the Gaza Strip, from where Hamas fighters crossed over at dawn to launch their attack. They infiltrated towns and villages, taking dozens of people hostage.

    How is that possible to get that many armed people and vehicles across THAT border? I have never been there, I only know pictures of parts of the border from media, with barb wire fences, walls, concrete blocks, surveillance cameras, military checkpoints. Pretty much a border made to prevent anything like this.

    Does anyone have further information where or how they managed to get that many people with that much equipment into Israel?

    • @[email protected]
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      501 year ago

      I can’t tell you exactly what happened to let this particular breach happen, but from what I’ve seen myself and what I’ve heard from family:

      1. There are many security checkpoints like the one where my cousin got stabbed (in his vest, he’s ok!!!) Palestinians are guided through essentially storage containers and checked by members of the IAF on their way to work or whatever reason they have to visit what we’ll agree to call Israel merely for these explanations. While heavily guarded, these points would be incredibly easy to breach if you’re willing to sacrifice enough lives through drastic enough of measures.
      2. While many are heartless regarding the situation the Palestinians have been put in, the Israelis aren’t totally emotionless. Some parts of Palestine are quite cultural and beautiful, so the walls are more like fences so that the Israelis and tourists can appreciate the aesthetics created by the oppressed population.
      3. Remember the rule of 80/20: the top 20% of the areas get 80% of the resources due to wealth inequality. While many areas have perfectly adequate infrastructure, many places have over-the-top security and infrastructure, leaving some places to be underfunded and dilapidated. It’s not totally unbelievable that people could get over, under, or through the walls.
      4. People get into Israel “illegally” all the time. These holes in the security are quickly found and patched up because the person who crossed the border is quickly collected and questioned. I’d reckon that if more patient members of the population took the time to construct more effective modes of crossing the border, they wouldn’t be discovered due to ignorance, allowing a large crossing briefly. When you’re relying on opposition telling on themselves, you don’t know what they don’t tell you.
      5. Sudden strength in numbers with little broadcasting would be enough to overwhelm some crossing areas.

      Ultimately, something like this was bound to happen eventually, primarily due to the leadership of king Netanyahu and the poisoned minds of the Israeli population. I’m not saying that all people in Israel are inhuman, but the constant barrage of belittling talking points about the Palestinians have caused even some of my more sympathetic family members to begin believing some of the propaganda that allows atrocities against other humans to go relatively unopposed. The way that they’ve learned to justify these things to themselves is shocking to me, especially when they follow up toxic sentiments with, “most Palestinians are incredible people and all of Palestine deserve peace.”

      Also, if you’ll allow me to put on my tinfoil hat for a moment: with all of the egg that’s been all over Netanyahu’s face recently, a war is a really great way to garner support and deflect attention from his scandals. I wouldn’t be surprised to eventually learn that there was plenty of intelligence about this attack and they were dismissed as lacking credibility and whatnot. I’m not saying that I 100% believe that Netanyahu possibly had a hand in these attacks happening, but I do know that he’s been talking about, hoping for, and probably needing a war for quite some time to empower his corruption and further genocide a population for which he harbors incredibly disgusting feelings.

      • @Dusktracer
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        21 year ago

        Thank you for this explanation. It helped illuminate some of the larger questions I had regarding this event!

    • mvlad88
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      391 year ago

      Easy, if your country is run by a corrupt, authoritarian leader like Netanyahu, you will end up with corruption, laziness and ignorance in the whole governmental system.

    • moftasa
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      61 year ago

      I read they used motorised paragliders to cross over the border fence. The vans may have been captured afterwards. But this is my guess and I have no idea if there were forces that managed to overpower israeli forces controlling checkpoints.

      • @Jessvj93
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        11 year ago

        On top of bulldozers and explosions blown in the gate.

    • @[email protected]
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      61 year ago

      I am very curious as well. I read in the AP that the government is getting a lot of scrutiny over that at the moment but hasn’t provided any responses. All I have heard was that it was a well planned and coordinated attack so maybe the use of electronic warfare along with an initial attack on monitoring stations? Very interested in reading the report once more information is available.

    • @[email protected]
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      21 year ago

      I would imagine there is a less secure border running through the desert, not unlike the US-Mexican border.

  • guyrocket
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    -201 year ago

    Hard to believe Hamas planned to attack a peaceful music festival. Guess they’re not the brightest bulbs in the pack.

    • BraveSirZaphod
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      341 year ago

      Their explicit aim is the complete destruction of Israel. It is incredibly easy to believe. To quote the Hamas charter:

      Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.

      [Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement… Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam… There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.

      The Day of Judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him."

      Hamas is explicitly opposed to peace, and it’s sole aim is to murder or expel every Jew from the land. Any supporting these attacks needs to asked if this the aim they really want to support.

      • @theluckyone
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        101 year ago

        Hard to justify supporting either side, what with Israel’s actions over the years. There is no good side, and the losers will be the average citizens on both sides.

      • @[email protected]
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        191 year ago

        The music festival was symbolic, look at these people enjoying music at a decadent party, on our LAND, while our people can’t even leave this caged city…

        The divide between the haves and have nots is stark, and its going to get people angry… I don’t agree with them, but 100% believe they targeted this festival to send a message to their own people

          • @3L54
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            21 year ago

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              • @NewNewAccount
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                51 year ago

                People that are saying that Israel started it are not justifying the attack. They’re simply provided context and understanding about why it happened.

                You treat people like they’re subhuman it shouldn’t be a surprise that they treat you like your life isn’t worth anything either.

      • guyrocket
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        31 year ago

        Yes. They had no thought to the effect it would have on public opinion? Do you see the other headline where Germany will review their aid to Palestine?

        Hard for me to believe they would want to shoot themselves in the foot like that. Very short sighted.

          • guyrocket
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            01 year ago

            Some men just want to see the world burn.

            I get what you’re saying and can accept that Hamas is this way. I am not up to date on them.

            But I do think it is important to point out just how foolish and short sighted it is to be that way. It feels to me like saying the sky is blue but I think it should be said.

        • DarkThoughts
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          61 year ago

          Can’t blame Germany here. One of the victims was a German woman, which was later seen on the back of a truck, all of her limbs broken / deformed, just in underwear and with a deep wound in the head, paraded around and spat at from even civilians.

        • eric
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          11 year ago

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