Norway has succeeded in getting the European Data Protection Board (EDPB) to make permanent and extend across Europe its ban on Meta (Facebook’s parent company) harvesting user data for targeted ads on Facebook and Instagram.

  • @WaxedWookie
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    1589 months ago

    Watch them cry foul, threaten to pull out, start a legal fight, then go nowhere like the abusive type they are.

    • nicetriangle
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      9 months ago

      I wish they would pull out. It’s fucking ridiculous that so much of Europe is apparently just ok with using a Meta product for the defacto texting platform (WhatsApp).

      • @[email protected]
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        469 months ago

        Eh, it’s not like we started using it because it was Meta’s. They bought it when it was already popular, and switching everyone to something else is difficult.

        • lemmyvore
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          109 months ago

          Yeah, WhatsApp was ported to basically every single platform that was relevant in 2009-2010 when it launched: iOS, Android, Blackberry, Symbian, Series 40 and Windows Phone. Supporting Blackberry and Nokia mobile OS which were huge at the time as well as the new smartphone OS’s was genius.

          • @lemming741
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            29 months ago

            You left out webOS! Oh…

        • nicetriangle
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          Sure I understand the reasons why it’s this way, but it doesn’t make it a good idea.

        • nicetriangle
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          I mean that’s basically the same difference. It’s owned by the same company.

          • @[email protected]
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            49 months ago

            But Messenger has always been Facebook, so those users “chose” a Facebook product. WhatsApp users mostly signed up before Facebook bought them (getting those users is why Facebook bought WhatsApp).

            The choice to use a Facebook product was made for existing WhatsApp users by the sale. You can personally choose a different service, but then you also have to get all your contacts to make the same choice.

      • oce 🐆
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        9 months ago

        I hate that Meta bought it but I have to admit it is the best messaging app I have ever used for the last 10 years. I guess the enshitification will happen at some point.

      • @[email protected]
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        9 months ago

        Better than the US, at least in Europe you are not forced to buy a specific device just to be able to communicate.

        Who knows, if Facebook gets severely limited by these laws, maybe we’ll all switch to Signal or something.

        • @[email protected]
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          69 months ago

          I use Android and I exchange text messages with iPhone users all the time. They don’t use iMessage with me because my friends aren’t assholes.

        • nicetriangle
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          09 months ago

          You’re not forced to buy a specific device there. They all text each other fine. You just don’t get fancy iMessage features if you’re on Android.

          • @[email protected]
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            “Fancy” features like group chats, or sending pictures that don’t look like ass?

            When every single alternative (other than RCS, ironically enough) just plain works. People just text, send each other pictures, participate in group chats, and it all just works, no matter the phone, computer, whatever, there are even just plain websites for many services.

          • @[email protected]
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            39 months ago

            You get all those features, just not with iPhone snobs who refuse to use acting but iMessage.

    • @NeoNachtwaechter
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      39 months ago

      Watch them cry foul, threaten to pull out

      Ofc. But childish maneuvers are generally less effective in Europe where authorities are still authorities and not just the revenge actors with the bigger guns.

      • @WaxedWookie
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        19 months ago

        Yep - and they’re too big a market to abandon, meaning they’ll just roll over in the end.

  • @friend_of_satan
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    1049 months ago

    Meta’s practices also collected protected data like race, religion, and sexual orientation. Meta disputed that it needed explicit consent, arguing that agreeing to terms of service was enough, but courts rejected this.

    Oh please let this be the beginning of a global backlash against corporate EULA’s and the start of a path towards a few well understood EULA’s, similar to how we have a few well understood FOSS licenses.

  • @[email protected]
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    329 months ago

    This is awesome but I don’t really understand.

    The purported issue is that they don’t have explicit consent for some data points. They apparently responded by saying they were going to charge a subscription.

    Why wouldn’t they just get consent? I’m sure most fb users will just agree to anything put in front of them.

    • @[email protected]
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      689 months ago

      Facebook collects data from various sites and doesn’t care if you are a user or not.

      How can you get a consent from someone who doesn’t even know facebook collects data from?

      • @[email protected]
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        139 months ago

        This is the funny thing. You don’t. It has to be informed consent. ヾ(⌐■_■)ノ♪

        • @ozymandias117
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          179 months ago

          Which makes Meta’s entire business illegal in the EU, thus the lawsuits and bans

    • @MrOxiMoron
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      379 months ago

      It’s about the part where they can’t hide the data collection in the terms and conditions of the site. You have to have a separate clear consent step for them to collect the data.

    • kubica
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      However, regulators have questioned whether the prices are too high to give users a real choice.

    • LazaroFilm
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      89 months ago

      I bet there is something like what of they don’t consent? Then they have the choice to pay the subscription instead of being denied access to the site and therefore not make any money for Meta.

    • @NeoNachtwaechter
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      19 months ago

      Why wouldn’t they just get consent?

      That would mean to accept a possible ‘No’ as an answer. Something thoroughly new to them. They still prefer to continue without giving a damn.

  • circuitfarmer
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    289 months ago

    I’d just like to thank the EU for having the data privacy laws that I suspect most Americans want but can’t have because of the fact our country is owned by corporations

    • @dx1
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      9 months ago

      Honestly thinking this all week - pretty much every country in the world either voted yes or abstained on the Gaza/Israel ceasefire resolution, except for the U.S. (and a handful of others), who just coincidentally happens to have billions of dollars earmarked every year to go to Israel on the condition they spend it on arms from U.S. companies. That, and its strategic use in the region (access to fossil fuel resources), probably the whole reason.

  • @[email protected]
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    269 months ago

    They’re already starting their paid ad-free $10 a month tiers for Europe only. They’ll stop showing advertising to underage people “for now”. They’re going to flood Europe with garbage ads and maximize subscribers that way.

    • YⓄ乙
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      189 months ago

      I can’t fathom people willing to pay $10 for Facebook and twitter .

      • @thethirdobject
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        29 months ago

        I know it’s a week-old thread, but I just received the notification on the Instagram app about the subscription and I have a few thoughts. First of all, here it’s actually 12 euros. As a relatively light user - I check Instagram maybe once or twice a day and FB once a week or every two weeks, just to keep in contact with people I don’t text -, that’s a lot of money to give to Meta for those services. I’m all for paying to have content without the tracking and the ads, but not 12 euros unfortunately. Which is, I guess, why they chose such a high price.

      • @[email protected]
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        19 months ago

        They won’t. They’ll just sell their private data.

        As someone who tried to make a living caring about people’s privacy, people don’t care. The only time they pretend to is when they need to explain why they buy the new iphone pro model yearly (but they’d turn on a dime if apple said “we’re building an ad platform! Look how pretty our ads are!”)

    • TheMurphy
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      169 months ago

      Hopefully they’ll do that, so people would stop using their platform and move to a less money-hungry unetichal alternative.

      • @[email protected]
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        109 months ago

        What would the alternative be? A genuine question. I’m not a Facebook fan at all but here in Denmark so much is on Facebook. Announcements of the local playground, cafés, events, almost everyone uses messenger. It’s insane. And if it’s not on FB then it’s on Instagram.

        • @[email protected]
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          39 months ago

          Isn’t mastodon/the fediverse sponsored by the German government? Maybe we could do something around that

        • TheMurphy
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          29 months ago

          Yeah, it feels like there’s no alternative.

          I only hope Facebook will be bad enough that people would even want to seek another alternative.

          Otherwise I don’t see people switch.

        • HMN
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          -49 months ago

          All of those are outside activities, right? In my town we have flyers and stuff in a few different locations. At times I get annoyed I can’t find information about events online, and then I think no it’s actually a good thing.

        • @[email protected]
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          -59 months ago

          Just don’t? If I need to use Facebook to interact with something I just rather spend my time on almost anything else.

    • amio
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      469 months ago

      Basically all of them. Lemmy etc. are basically 90%+ techies, Facebook is pretty much going to be widely hated here no matter where you go.

      • oce 🐆
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        19 months ago

        Except for the thousands of hypocrites making bank by working for those companies.

        • amio
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          29 months ago

          If you want a specific anti-facebook thing, as others mentioned, you can just make one. It’s still all over every tech-related community, though - this thread being one example.

    • Praise Idleness
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      I think it’s safe to say that lemmy as a whole is just a giant anti-[INSERT BIG TECH SHIT HERE] organization.

    • Harry
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      49 months ago

      Probably not- in these days of Lemmy the way is if you don’t see it, make it! :)

  • @nutsack
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    129 months ago

    a targeted advertising ban would kill just about every social media platform

    • @[email protected]
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      169 months ago

      They could just run contextual ads for much less effort and privacy violations, and still get the same or better result.

      • @nutsack
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        29 months ago

        why do you think that would get “the same or better result”?

        • @[email protected]
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          159 months ago

          It’s how advertising worked for literally the entire history of advertising before the modern internet. You put ads for car stuff on the cars website. You don’t need to build an entire dossier on me. If I’m looking at the star wars wiki, you can be pretty confident that I’m interested in sci-fi and fantasy. You don’t need to spend billions of dollars tracking me to know that.

          This is not an expert opinion so I could be wrong, but I think it would be a better system. Simpler to implement, less stalking, less “oops we didn’t show any house ads to black people” potential.

          • @nutsack
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            these companies spend a lot of money and computation power on intelligent targeting systems because they are in fact better from a capitalist perspective

            • @[email protected]
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              39 months ago

              Maybe. I guess it makes it easier for Google to sell many different ads in the same time/space. Still sucks for everyone else though.

              • @ArghZombies
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                19 months ago

                But people advertise with Google precisely because they know the ads will be targeted at relevent people. If Google just sell loads of ad slots that just show to random users then that’s just a waste of money. If I’m selling motorbike helmets I don’t want to waste my money having Google show those ads to 60 year old men who only travel by bus or golfers or people who use wheelchairs.

                Google won’t just sell loads of ads here, they’ll totally change their business model to something closer to the targetting approach.

                • @[email protected]
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                  29 months ago

                  You target the ads based on the content of the page rather than the identity of the viewer. That’s how tv radio and print ads work.

              • @nutsack
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                19 months ago

                the companies optimize for profit and nothing else. you do not matter.

    • @dx1
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      89 months ago

      Nice

  • @dx1
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    Nice. As someone who deals with compliance I know it’s gonna be a huge pain for them to deal with, which makes it even better.

  • @[email protected]
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    109 months ago

    Must be nice living in countries where the government works for humans instead of corporations.

  • @erranto
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    109 months ago

    I will only believe it when I see it. It has been a few years since the EU is threatening a ban and meta threatening to leave the EU, so far none has committed any action.

    • TheMurphy
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      EU didn’t ban them because Meta complied. (the data protection bill, GDPR)

      They will comply again, unfortunately. We could use a ban.

  • @Smacks
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    49 months ago

    I can’t wait for Facebook to take the time and energy to make two different versions of their platform. One to adhere to the EU regulations, and the other for everyone else that harvests every last bit of data.