Your skills are irreplaceable, and your body is expendable . Work harder !
inb4 construction Robots
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Honestly we’ll probably get there eventually. There are already AIs capable of making video game footage look realistic, and we can simulate physics in game engines with some degree of accuracy.
There will likely come a point when researchers are able to simulate the physics and graphics accurately enough that they’ll be able to train AIs in these simulations and have them work in real life.
Behold! Houses made with 3d printers
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They can 3d print houses now… And it’s only going to get better.
I take it you haven’t seen the recent advancements in both robotics and LLM powered agents
If it’s LLM and robotics it better get used to having dick in it
holy fuck thanks for the laugh
I didn’t, mind providing links?
Yep. AutoGen + MemGPT (+Locally hosted models) https://youtu.be/VJ6bK81meu8?si=mGnvMTJsLn_vMvRb
Basically, a small company of self-refining LLM prompts that output meaningful results + a robust memory management for more long-term back and forths. Instead of “one input, one output. Next”
Another example: https://youtu.be/5Zj_zstLLP4?si=nHu4vHwidRmvuViY
I can share more examples and papers if desired.
On the robotics front, the focus is still on training custom models for given actions. Which is having some success: https://youtu.be/Jy3zjXK4ao4?si=yFdqnl8z9Z8Becsc
https://youtu.be/WlIYa3lH5UI?si=FQSZAm44h3FuuCoR
I’m convinced these “hivemind agents” will pass custom model training soon
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I’m interested!!! I’m SUPER interested!!!
Wow! I honestly can’t keep up with this stuff anymore… It’s insane how fast it’s advancing.
I do it for a living and have given up being up to date on all the new shit going on. Billboard gets the W for now. LLMs cannot build houses in isolation.
What everyone is missing is that they don’t have to. The right LLM with the right question can output a meaningful “decision” or “judgment call”. That’s all you need. Ask the right series of questions. We’ll call it “thinking”. I really believe that well is pretty deep. Will it be the first version of “AI”? Maybe. Maybe not. But it’s gonna be a big milestone that is going to soon fuck up everything.
I can’t wait :)
I’ll be convinced they can fully replace most trade work when they figure out fine motor control and finally build servo or hydraulic systems that don’t act all janky and with slop a mile wide. When they can strip a wire, and then terminate it into a screw terminal, and then install an outlet in the wall. All with one robot, using each tool as needed as finely tuned as a human would do it. And also being able to adapt to different situations on the spot. For instance “shit, the hole for the outlet overlaps a stud, wtf do I do to fix this” type stuff.
From what I’ve seen even from the best like Boston Dynamics, there are still many decades to go before we have fully capable robotic trade workers.
Many decades? Try five years.
Big lol. Doing unattended trades work is practically the definition of general AI, something we don’t see happening any time soon.
Build prefab RTMs in a factory? Today, if the desire was there. Design the house around the line and build it like a car.
Run a new circuit from the basement to an upstairs bedroom, in an old house with weird idiosyncrasies? Not in our lifetimes. The combination of mapping, movement, intuition and the fact that something is guaranteed to go wrong and likely require rethinking the whole job makes this a very hard problem™.
Believe me if someone can invent a robot that can navigate a lumpy, rat infested crawlspace and install pipe/wires/insulation the apprentices of the world will be eternally grateful
If Tesla has given up on fully self driving cars, wherein driving is a much simpler mechanical activity to replicating the full breadth of human construction tasks, then I don’t see how people are expecting tradecraft to get replaced by Mr. Fixitron anytime soon.
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I think there were already projects of this with ChatGPT
I was gonna say Netherlands as that’s the kind of shit I expect from Dutch architects, but upon further inspection, Germany?
Austria, Museum of Modern Art in Vienna. I have no information about the substances or medications the architect has taken.
Well, meanwhile in Canada…
Looks like a normal day in Australia to me…
Just wait until someone connect chatgpt to one of those gigantic 3d printers that print buildings.
Are we really that far from having “AI” do this?
You can’t 3D print laying all the pipe and the electric cabling and adding fixtures and insulation and all sorts of other things homes need.
You can 3D print the basic structure. That’s it. You’re saving on bricklaying or carpentry.
And the second that it is economically viable the companies will be dumping their bricklayers/carpenters down the drain and replacing them with computer controlled construction methods.
When will it be economically viable to dump all the people who have to set up the equipment and all of the people who have to do everything but make the basic structure? Is this ‘house set up and entirely built by robots down to the light fixtures with no human intervention’ a near future proposition?
When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?
Then they went and made portable electric saws. What a world!
And then electric drills! And laser levels!
Remember paper ledgers and abacuses? Ever hear of Microsoft Excel?
We keep making tools that always increase productivity and reduce time and cost. It’s Constant incremental progress, and on a large scale it’s great because it frees up (human) resources to focus on new industry and technology, which furthers the CIP. On the micro scale, there may be a small number of temporarily displaced workers as jobs shuffle around and workers re-skill.
But at this particular intersection of technology, we are at a pretty bad spot. We are on the verge of massive progress in multiple industries, and wealth has concentrated in the elite classes. “Temporarily displaced workers” won’t have the capital to re-skill or invest their own resources into new industry. This is bad.
When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?
When they did it. Because they could process a huge amount more lumber. I’m not sure I understand.
what they are saying is that in the past, technological leaps meant increases in productivity and generally freed the displaced workers into new careers, but this time the sheer scale of change that is imminent doesn’t leave time for that. it’s going to be bad
Damn, you really are stuck in the past, aren’t ya
I’m stuck in the past because that’s not an economically viable thing to do within the foreseeable future?
Would I be stuck in the past because I said I don’t think people are going to be commuting by personal jetpack any time soon?
Yup
Sorry… you honestly think people will commute by personal jetpack one day?
Yeah, like how blacksmiths can’t find any work these days anymore. It’s heartbreaking.
There are artisan blacksmiths that probably make bank doing custom jobs like blades and ironwork gates and other such artistry.
We have robots that work in warehouses moving stuff precisely all the time. Placing pipes should be no problem.
Yes, moving things in a warehouse is exactly the same as laying plumbing and AC ductwork. There’s literally no difference in terms of complications.
You’re right that robots aren’t going to be able to replace plumbers or electricians in traditional building projects.
But why can’t we change how new buildings are built so the method better suits robots. I’m sure with current technology we could design a building that could be built entirely by robots.
I don’t think it’ll happen because it will take a lot of time and money to develop such a holistic system, with no return on profit until it’s a complete system.
Well at one point i lead bunch of those “workers” on real project and oh boy, in some cases, i would much rather have robots do it.
Yes cause technology never gets better than it’s first iteration. There’s literally no progress ever. One and done
How soon do you think it will be before technology reaches the point that we can build completely functional houses with just robots? Give me a timeframe.
Do you want tonights winning lotto numbers also? How about which team will win the super bowl this year?
Nobody can tell exact time frames. But the future is happenening old man
So robots will totally take over house building and humans will have nothing to do with it at some indefinite point in the future and that’s why people right now should be worried about their jobs. I see.
Still need someone to build it for the computer. What would really help the “AI” is to have something that can handle the creation of different interfaces and modules. Then, it would need to solve or mitigate the maintenance conundrum of repairing itself when it breaks.
Not so much of the physical building, but I bet the designing isn’t too big of a stretch. Think something like procedural generation to make 2/3 of a floor plan and have humans make sure it makes sense and add details.
Unfortunately, those building 3D printers are mostly just a publicity stunt currently. Too impractical to use at any sort of scale.
Now, if we were to combine AI with the old Sears kit homes, we might be onto something. Given a standardized list of stuff like room dimensions and the materials required for their construction, AI could probably generate an endless number of variations of both houses and additions for them with an exact list of required construction materials and equipment. Entire series of standardized houses with all the materials prepped ahead of time, ready to just be delivered to a plot of land and constructed on site by a local construction companies, with only minor adjustments required to account for the specific peculiarities of the area. The IKEA of house construction.
Shit tears itself down in 2 weeks
Lmao they are 3D printing houses right now. We’re all jobless in the future, bud. Thats a good thing.
Have you seen a 3D printed house? They look like shit with their lumpy walls, and you still have to run all the plumbing power, and ventilation.
Yeah, technology will never continue to develop!
Nobody is saying that but reading a headline that says “Construction company prints some walls!” and then saying “welp that’s it they’re out here just 3D printing whole ass buildings” is pretty uh… Dumb.
And the picture says “your skills are irreplaceable.” If you truly believe that basic construction is irreplaceable then I have bad news for you.
I have bad news for you because it seems obvious you have never done basic construction: You’re not replacing builders with computers any time soon.
The point is that literally right now houses are not being 3D printed to a good enough standard that we would even think about replacing workers.
It is also true that technological progress will change that sooner or later.
I don’t think there’s a disagreement here
No they aren’t :/ They can make bricks and ‘print’ walls, which is really just a cool way of pouring concrete. Hardly printing a house.
He thinks it’s a good thing
He thinks we get universal welfare.
I think we get a bigger wealth gap and huge poverty.
Once the elites have everything they need or want provided by AI and machines, we get death.
There are more of “us” than “them”.
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What I meant was that “they” can not just simply erase “us” from existence once we stop providing them enough value, I believe in a revolution of some kind if such practices were to be tried.
Though I do not believe it would be rational nor beneficial for the elites at the first place, I was just pointing out that there is little chance of that happening.
There were more natives in the Americas and Caribbean when the European settlers arrived, too. Only one side had way more advanced military technology and no scruples around genocide and slavery.
I can only imagine 50 years from now, when climate crisis is in full swing, there are no more salaried jobs for people without extreme, cutting edge technological specializations or PhDs, and people are doing shit like menial servant work or acting as delivery drivers for 16 hours a day for the ultra wealthy just not to starve, you’ll have some 70 year old zoomer politician that introduces a bill to legalize prostitution in order to open up “new sources of income for struggling Americans” while quietly including a clause that effectively creates death camps for the poor. Conservative Americans will praise the bill on the basis that it’ll get rid of “welfare queens” and create more economic opportunities for the people who don’t get turned into Soylent Green.
50 years after that, America is littered with the hollowed out ghost towns of long abandoned suburbia. The coasts have been destroyed by flooding from the melted ice caps. Automated workers outnumber Americans 10 to 1. There are around 30 million Americans left in the continental United States. Almost all of them are literal slaves after slavery was re-legalized. Almost everything is owned by a handful of incredibly powerful families. Virtually everyone lives in or around Chicago. Whatever hope people once had for a better future is a long distant dream of a bygone era as the world slowly dies and the people who are left simply persist without ever truly living.
Virtually everyone lives in or around Chicago.
And hilariously, everyone is still paying the Saudis for parking.
Ahhh yes. In capitalism, if you create a machine that can replace say, 10 people, you don’t give them 1/10 of the work. You fire them and maybe hire someone to operate it.
Machines and human workers can coexist. They don’t have to replace them.
Edit: Of course they should replace them, but only after we get good living conditions for unemployed people, which are currently non-existent.
Yeah, we arent going to get our Jetsons future if we refuse to restructure our society towards not having to work instead of just fighting the tech because its taking our jobs away
I know this probably wasn’t op who did this, but I have to ask: who the hell puts a watermark on a meme?
Quite a few well known memers, not the peseants though
I don’t even understand the benefit of it. It’s not like memeing is a job where you have to protect your intellectual property. Why even do it? Do they think so highly of themselves that they need to “protect” memes that they create? They’re randos on the Internet adding captions to images, not V/A professionals…
It also goes against the longstanding spirit of Internet memes, that they are things to by definition be shared, not intellectual property to be bound.
They want to drive traffic to their pages so they can make ad and sponsor money
Assholes.
Wait til you see the head nodders and finger pointers on videos.
You should take a few minutes to watch this video if you want to see how serious memers can get about ‘stealing memes’ kids with partially developed brains with too much internet access and free time obsess over nutty things
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Ironically you could use a Stable Diffusion AI plugin to remove the watermark in GIMP.
Serious question (because I’m a dumbass): why is this ironic?
Where? I can’t see it
On chad’s helmet
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- “wojack”?
- I would have never taken
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Yep, there will always be room for humans in the suffering industry.
We can 3D print buildings so we’re almost there.
Sort of… we can 3D print walls out of specific concrete blends that run nicely through an extended hose system that runs from the mud pump to the print nozzle. But, concrete has a limited time as mud before it starts to harden, so you can only print for so many hours before you have to stop and flush out the pump and hoses before it turns into rock, and the concrete mix can’t be too chunky (like including gravel) to flow through the system.
Also, if you get all that right, then you can print walls… but not structural frames that would support a multistory building, or plumbing or electrical wiring or insulation or windows or roofs…
We’re a long way from 3D printing a building wholesale.
Ah… did you read this?
“We are able to produce concrete onsite, pump it onsite and deliver the wall system to a house onsite”
That’s literally all the printer does… the wall system… which is exactly what I wrote.
All of the non-concrete parts still have to be manually installed, the concrete is limited to a specific blend that allows the printer to run without clogging up (which limits the types of structure that can be made), and it can’t build more than 3 stories because unreinforced concrete won’t stay up without a frame.
How many of these houses have been built?
Inb4 Boston Dynamics rolls out the self-building building.
that dog don’t hunt, but it can lift a 2 ton steel beam clear above itself
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Fuck bro imma be real pissed when robots start doing MY manual labor
Within my lifetime we will see a significant chunk of building site labour be replaced by robots.
Let’s not forget this isn’t unprecedented - plenty of jobs went away with we introduced the last big technological innovation, heavy machinery, to the building site. Suddenly one guy in a JCB can do the work of 20 guys with spades, etc.
I’m not talking about replacing everyone, not within my lifetime, that’s likely silly unless there’s a technological leap we can’t yet predict.
But the simpler the labour, the more likely it’ll go, and not every site job is specialised enough that it can’t be replaced by a well trained, well developed AI system in the year 2050 built into a similarly well developed body -which exist today, are already dropping in price due to refinements and ramping up production, and by then will be as competitively priced as the cost of a human.
This is a good thing though, capitalist politics aside. The more jobs we can replace, especially hard on the body, unhealthy, often very dangerous jobs like construction, the better. Assuming we can evolve society away from our capitalist overlords and into a society that works for the people.
Anyhoo, I wouldn’t rush to retrain in another sector just yet if you’re a brickie, but if you’re just getting in to the biz, keep your options open for sure.
If you’re a lorry driver and you’re young? Spend some of your spare time retraining for a new career now, because while lorry drivers will still be needed in 30 years time before you’re set to retire, the vast majority of the work will be automated, and driver jobs will be extremely scarce compared to the large number of workers trying to get them.
Like the coal miners of yesteryear, you don’t want to wait until it’s far too late to retrain and then complain that your career is ruined. Prepare now.
Best case scenario? Your main job never goes away, but now your skill set is diversified and you’ve always got options. Worst case? Your main job does, and you luckily can fall back on your alternative options.
They would love to replace the Working Class with an unpaid AI.
The irony being when they replace people with AI, they will live alone, on a doomed planet where there’s not even enough of humanity left to avoid extinction.
There they will sit, upon a throne of skulls, in an autonomous world that will outlive them, and only to serve a species that no-longer exists.
As a construction worker, I disagree. Construction sites are so cluttered, so tough to navigate, and there are so many unknown variables. I really think cars driving themselves will happen before construction workers are replaced. And personally I feel we are a long ways away before cars are driving themselves to begin with.
I would argue this clutter and difficulty to navigate is exactly why networked AI would be perfect - don’t need the plasterer, sparkie and hammer hand to work around eachother if its the same networked “person”.
Have you seen the newest South Park special cuz your post made me think of it. ^^
