- cross-posted to:
- weirdway
- cross-posted to:
- weirdway
I was lurking on some old threads and something caught my attention on a previous discussion we had here. I seek more clarity around the subject. Copy pasting below :
mindseal: Those rules set up by the dream.
mindseal : Dreams do not set up any rules. The dreamers do. However, if the dreamer is not conscious of having set up any rules, they cannot deliberately change those rules either.
therewasguy: There is no reason for the world to be defined in anyway like sun having light properties or so. Imagine a world where even a rock has lighting properties or the water containing land like properties. Their’s no reason why anything is the way it is
mindseal: There is no objective reason, but there is a reason. The reason is your will as the dreamer. It’s your will as the dreamer of this dream that makes the water wet and land solid. If you’re not conscious of this you cannot deliberately mess around with any such so-called “natural laws.”
therewasguy: our very host of whatever we are in, makes us think we’re separate from everything else
mindseal : No, it’s not a host. It’s you. Don’t look up. Look within. You are not a human being. You’re humaning, but aren’t a human. At least from the POV of subjective idealism that’s true, and that’s what we are here to discuss.
Can the Law of attraction dream constant be broken and be changed to something else in this dream?
To me from my understanding, I feel as if the law of attraction has been very dominant into my life, I guess it’s from how I’ve bridged my beliefs for it to be very true. I’m wondering if it’s possible to turn it off and change/will it to work otherwise? I’ve tried to contemplate this for awhile but i seem to be stuck within myself. I would like some guidance aid. Thanks.
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“A little stuck on dream rule”
Originally posted by u/therewasguy on 2019-01-11 00:15:59 (aej1eo).
That’s a very interesting question! Basically, if you can influence anything within the dream, could you also influence the ability to do so?
I subscribe to the idea that reality is what we see it as. There is not necessarily an objective truth, so to speak. If you see reality as fluid and malleable, it will yield to you accordingly. If you see reality as unchangeable and rigid, you’ll only be able to influence that which you believe you can.
If we can ‘turn off’ any natural law, why would the law of attraction be any different? After all, before you knew of it or learned about it, did it exist? Does it exist independently of you?
If you’d really like to eradicate the influence this seeming law has on your life, I suppose it would be useful to just assume it doesn’t exist. It might feel like denial at first but if you keep pushing through and stick by your assumption, it’ll eventually ‘disappear.’ Ironically enough, by doing that, you’re using the law of attraction to rid of the law of attraction!
Originally commented by u/[deleted] on 2019-01-11 17:47:29 (eds7j11)
I’ve been used to living via law of attraction, I wonder if i might accidentally change my dream to being more chaotic with it off, with having no way of turning it on again since it no longer exists.
Originally commented by u/therewasguy on 2019-01-11 17:56:06 (eds840w)
I don’t think you’d necessarily change your dream to being more chaotic with it off, unless you possess a notion that the law of attraction keeps your life calm or in check. If need be, while turning the law off, you can also intend for your life to remain as it is, without help of the law.
Originally commented by u/[deleted] on 2019-01-11 18:00:50 (eds8fiz)
Can the Law of attraction dream constant be broken and be changed to something else in this dream?
To me from my understanding, I feel as if the law of attraction has been very dominant into my life, I guess it’s from how I’ve bridged my beliefs for it to be very true. I’m wondering if it’s possible to turn it off and change/will it to work otherwise? I’ve tried to contemplate this for awhile but i seem to be stuck within myself. I would like some guidance aid. Thanks.
Sure but you would still be intending it to turn off, so you would still be manipulating reality through your intentions. The answer to your question is in the sentences you copy/pasted.
Subjective Idealism in the way that it’s discussed in this sub postulates that reality and everything you experience arises willingly in the mind or in awareness, based on the habitual patterns that you choose to commit to. If you don’t want that to be the truth then you have to, ironically, will it to be otherwise by choosing ignorance.
But it seems that your question runs deeper? What’s your reason for wanting to turn off this process?
Originally commented by u/syncretik on 2019-01-11 17:26:37 (eds66d4)
But it seems that your question runs deeper? What’s your reason for wanting to turn off this process?
When thoughts arise i ride them, sometimes I want to dwell on what thoughts arise, but it seems to be counter productive from what it is i do not want, The longer i ride a thought that i do not want as i experience it, it seems like i attract some sort of bad luck loop hole as it spawns into my dream eventually catching up with me in a future as i’ve pre-paved it. Atleast that’s what my current belief is like.
In more details:
Since reality is non-physical for me everything is non-physical hence has an infinite potential in changing to anything.
This is still a lucid dream for me, If i think a thought, it spawns in my reality. Now it doesn’t spawn instantly infront of me not as in my second dream state when i am sleep.
As in my second dream state (the lucid dream state) When i think of a table, a table pops up, if i think of a chair, a chair pops up instantly at that moment.
And as of this current semi-waking state. I think of a chair, it does pop up but not in my field of vision but rather a distant pre-paved future. Same goes for certain frequencies of feelings/emotions or scenarios. As that belief/focus just grows stronger and makes a manifestation come out from what thought i’ve been focusing on with enough momentum it grows and grows.
They do have some sort of attraction presence to them. I’ve noticed lately for it to work for me constantly in my favor, I just have to feel good as much as possible and eventually my life turns into a good luck spree on health/wealth/abundance. But there are days where i just don’t feel like feeling good and i have to either force or intent myself to do otherwise, but i’d like to rest in myself to dwell on negatives at times. Yet when i actually do meditate or rest in myself i seem to let go of both cherry pickings on either side.
Wondering what a more optimal dream would be for the cause. You could make up any reason to why this dream exists. To me it exists solely for entertainment. So i’m trying to find that optimal range of it expanding better and better as a creator.
Originally commented by u/therewasguy on 2019-01-11 17:42:30 (eds77po)
Remember all this stuff you outlined is your story that you chose to commit to, and the elements of that story are shaping your experience.
Yet when i actually do meditate or rest in myself i seem to let go of both cherry pickings on either side.
I like to think of it as letting go of the emotional charge and fear regarding the intent, but the intent itself remains and continues to shape reality, as long as I don’t keep prodding it with conflicting intents. That’s my story.
Wondering what a more optimal dream would be for the cause.
Ideally how do you want things to happen? That’s your goal to meditate/focus on, and navigate through the trial and error until you get better at it. It’s not as simple as creating a step by step method and implementing it with a 100% success rate because everyone operates with a different mindset and context and there are too many subtle variations. But again, that’s a story. If you wanted to change or shape-shift to an ideal reality you would just do it, why create all these hurdles to jump over? Get your head around that!
Originally commented by u/syncretik on 2019-01-11 18:48:15 (edsbdjf)
If you wanted to change or shape-shift to an ideal reality you would just do it, why create all these hurdles to jump over? Get your head around that!
why create all these hurdles to jump over?
All i could come up with is, Sadistic entertainment lol.
Well it does seem like some sort of training ground or data farming ground. But then again no reason for anything as is just infinite potential and this is just one variable. Again that’s my story now isn’t…? Their’s something i may want to experience here, Hmm…
Thank you for the active quick clarity sync, I appreciate it.
Edit: Perhaps joyous expansion is what i mostly resonate with.
Originally commented by u/therewasguy on 2019-01-11 19:44:22 (edser8u)
Their’s something i may want to experience here, Hmm…
Find your purpose and what you’re drawn to at this moment and do it!
Thank you for the active quick clarity sync, I appreciate it.
You’re welcome :)
Originally commented by u/syncretik on 2019-01-11 20:50:46 (edsi8x7)