• @jeffw
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    The party, which was formed in 1971 and supports laissez-faire capitalism and civil liberties

    lol, what is this, 2010? They haven’t been that way in a while

    • @[email protected]
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      Those just mean guns and drugs right?

      They never figure out how roads or waste management happens after that though.

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    • @not_that_guy05
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      For a libertarian, that’s ain’t very libertarian like. Almost makes me think that they might be a different party but scared to label themselves said party.

      • Billiam
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        No, Conservatives are fascist conservatives. Libertarians are just conservatives who are too embarrassed to admit it.

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          • Zorque
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            Religion is mostly just an excuse to be an asshole, for most conservatives.

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        • @[email protected]
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          In my experience, they’re not embarrassed, they’re just plain confused. Their epistemology stops at the statement, “I don’t want the government to tell me what to do,” and the actual implementation of…well…anything just winds up being reactionary.

        • @assassin_aragorn
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          I can at least abide a Libertarian since they don’t want the govt to persecute minorities – if they’re actually libertarian and not just saying it, that is.

          It’s a sign of the times that my actual policy beliefs could not be further from Libertarian, but they’re still an adjacent ally because they don’t want to lock up LGBT people.

            • @assassin_aragorn
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              Oh he hasn’t, nor his son. They’re “libertarians” who happen to also want the government to go against any civil liberties they disagree with – the antithesis of being libertarian. I suspect most people who don’t want government to interfere with civil rights are with Democrats honestly

          • @batmaniam
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            There are sane libertarians. It was the first party to have same sex marriage as an explicit tent pole back in the 70s.

            Libertarians aren’t anarchists, laws and enforcement especially around an individuals rights are important, doubly so for any marginalized group. That’s like… THE purpose of government to a libertarian. You’ll also find plenty who are in favor of a strong social safety net.

            All that being said, there’s always been loons. People who think things like food safety inspections are an over reach and the like, but it’s in the minority. The climate has definitely gotten worse though. I still describe myself as one but ehhhhh. It’s just not as important to me as avoiding slipping into literal fascism.

            • @assassin_aragorn
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              Exactly, a true libertarian would be appalled by the government denying same sex marriage or abortion or adoption. Which says a lot about the people who claim to be libertarian.

              • @batmaniam
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                Absolutely. I’ll always admit that praxis of libertarianism is messy at best, because there isn’t much that really is the business of an individual alone, but anything lgbtq really is that cut and dry.

                Abortion is a tricky one for the reason it always has been: if someone genuinely believes a blastocyst is a human, then none of the other arguments are going to matter. I’m not one of those people, by the way. I think Buttigeg put it perfectly in the primaries. If science and philosophy can’t nail down personhood without debate for people who are 30, that leaves someone in the position to choose a termination required, by active decision or default, to choose with imperfect data. Whatever they personally come to then is correct for them and people should receive only support and compassion.

                I think you’d find more that support it, but I’m just saying that like always if someone is convinced of the “personhood” of that mass of cells there’s not a belief system out there that’s going to make it acceptable.

                All that being said, I get the wrap. It’s messy and scary out there right now.

        • bluGill
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          I’m a right wing liberal. Libertarians often represent me best, but I vote for who I think would get the best result.

            • Kata1yst
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              Look up the political compass. The test is mostly worthless, but the concept is politically true.

              You have liberalism (the literal kind: emphasizing personal freedoms and liberties) opposite authoritarianism and conservatism opposite progressivism. American “libertarians” are generally centrist or conservative liberals.

              American politics have (mostly on purpose by those who it benefited) twisted together liberalism and progressivism into Left, conservatism and authoritarianism into Right. But there are progressive authoritarians (Stalinists, Maoists) and conservative liberals (Ayn Rand types).

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      There are actual libertarians, and there is the American Libertarian Party. There is almost nothing in common between the two.

      Well, weed and some edge-case anti-vax bullshit… but almost nothing else.

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          In the US, yes. Elsewhere, libertarians are much more liberal. Here, they’re just often-stoned, fascist conservatives who hate paying their taxes more than the rest but without the courage to admit to the fascism part. It’s a façade.

          As for you buddy, I’m glad he woke up. 👍🏻

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  • Dem Bosain
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    Libertarians often mistake deregulation for freedom. However, I kind of like being able to buy food without worrying about deadly pathogens.

    • Zorque
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      Hey now, that infringes on the rights of people who want to provide products as cheaply as possible and make a shit ton of money. How very selfish of you.

  • @MyPornViewingAccount
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    Libertarians are just alt-republicans with a better working knowledge of local age-of-consent laws.

  • TeoTwawki
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    The party, which was formed in 1971 and supports laissez-faire capitalism and civil liberties, is the third-largest American party by voter registration. Its website says: “Libertarians strongly oppose any government interference into their personal, family, and business decisions.”

    There I fixed the atticle to be truthful.

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  • @kaiomai
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    The Libertarian Party doesn’t even recognize her as a member. This article didn’t dive very deep.

  • @TheJims
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    Being Libertarian means never having to admit you’re a Republican

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    I’m still waiting for any libertarian to go ahead and tell me how deregulating the sewers is gonna work out for everyones best interests.

    Anyday now, I’m sure. I’ve been asking this since 1996, I’m sure they’ll get back to me soon.

    • Jessica
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      Alright, fine, I’ll admit it: I did. I thought it would be funny. What have I done…

  • @[email protected]
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    Well, Wichita, hopefully you enjoyed basic services up til now. Libertarians don’t like that stuff. You’ll see.

    • @[email protected]
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      Nothing like bears taking out yr trash. Out of your house that yr also in. Libertarian-land is too hxc for me man.

  • ForestOrca
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    Umm, “biggest ever” meaning mayor of Wichita, population 400,000. Biggest ever, since formation in 1971. “Since its creation, 10 Libertarians have been elected to state legislatures. The most recent candidate was Marshall A. Burt, who represented Wyoming’s 39th district from 2021 to 2023.” A total of 10, since 1971, sounds like they are really on the move. /s

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      Yeah you’re not wrong. But as the most promising option to break the two party system, I can’t help but root for them.

      It is wild seeing them talk internally about how much they’re growing and such though. Lol, they seem to think they’re gonna follow the analogy of the algae in the pond.

      • @Crashumbc
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        I only root for them because they weaken the GOP