• @Aux
      link
      fedilink
      English
      -124 months ago

      No, they just need money and Ukraine is completely fucked economically right now. Also Ukrainian government is still cooperating with Russia in many ways. For example, Russian gas still flows through pipes in Ukraine, Russia still pays money for transit and Ukraine is happy about it.

          • @hemmes
            link
            fedilink
            English
            34 months ago

            Thanks for the links. The Economist is a paywall, but the wiki’s always a good read.

            This article from Columbia is a good read as well (and no paywall). It brings up a good point that the volumes are down to “around a third of their pre-war levels.” Which makes more sense than how the OP was presenting things. No way you’ll simply halt that kind of economic relationship so quickly. But they go on to say that transit flows are still very much at risk.

            I guess I’m just trying to point out that Ukraine is very much at war, but both belligerents depend on each other economically, which certainly defies expectations, as they say.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              24 months ago

              Thanks. Sorry for paywall, the article was readable linked from a search as is often the way. Archive.today will open it.

              The economic codependency is surprising to some but logical I suppose.

        • @Mango
          link
          fedilink
          English
          -324 months ago

          A link is just pointing at someone else saying it. What makes someone else a better source?

          • XbSuper
            link
            fedilink
            English
            264 months ago

            Their journalistic integrity. You are no one, therefore your word carries no weight. Link sources, or don’t expect people to believe you.

            • @Mango
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -164 months ago

              Oh boy, calling someone a nobody and whining about integrity in the same breath! Literally everyone is just somebody. Believe them based on evidence rather than your simple minded stylistic impressions. Putting on a lab coat doesn’t add any more credibility than putting on a bath robe.

              • @interceder270
                link
                fedilink
                English
                8
                edit-2
                4 months ago

                I’m not going to say you’re wrong.

                But believing something is true just because you read it from some random commenter on the internet isn’t really smart.

                It’s smart to ask them where they’re getting their information.

                • @Mango
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  -24 months ago

                  Naw, I’m more interested in the how.

                  When it comes to believing, I don’t believe in it.

          • Lemminary
            link
            fedilink
            English
            34 months ago

            What makes someone else a better source?

            They have a history of adhering to facts, so they’ve built up a good reputation.

            You can look them up on mediabiasfactcheck.com and other independent fact checkers like Snopes to see how much of a reliable source they are.

            • @Mango
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -124 months ago

              Oh boy here we go.

              The best lies have truths sprinkled around them.

              Snopes got snoped. Snopes is actually terrible. I’m surprised to see their old reputation is still holding out with some people.

              Nobody is a good source. Material needs to stand on it’s own. Everyone has a camera, but only well established sources have high quality photo manipulation.

              • Lemminary
                link
                fedilink
                English
                3
                edit-2
                4 months ago

                The best lies have truths sprinkled around them.

                Lies as in deception and not human error? If I’m reading that right, it sounds like there may be some trust issues on your part but I’ll let you elaborate.

                Snopes got snoped. Snopes is actually terrible.

                Did they? By who? Can you… *ahem*… provide a link? Because that at face value sounds like you’re poisoning the well. You keep casting wide generalizations without backing them up. Sure, I could look it up, but I want your sources specifically for various reasons.

                And I’m just gonna say that of course every source has a degree of accuracy to them because the world isn’t black and white, which is the reason why reliability is a spectrum.

                Nobody is a good source.

                I’m sorry but it’s screaming trust issues again but harder.

                Material needs to stand on it’s own.

                Can you elaborate? Because I’m also getting weird vibes from this one.

                only well established sources have high quality photo manipulation

                This is simply not true, not in the world of AI and not in the world of Photoshop. If you can’t convincingly manipulate a photo using free tools and/or pirated software, then it’s a skill issue. See here for more details.

                • @Mango
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  -14 months ago

                  Why do you think I should just trust? I can’t go more than a few seconds in a day without someone trying to sell me some bullshit. I don’t have a trust issue. I have a distrust feature.

                  You want me to give you my exact source where I learned this information years ago? Why would I bother cataloging that shit? I can’t even keep the world from stealing everything I’ve ever worked for. Do you think I’m just gonna look it up on the spot to appease your little act when my whole point is to figure shit out myself?

                  Well established sources can hire skill with all their money they make with sensationalized nonsense. I can’t just pick that shit up. I gotta spend 8 hours a day making the land owners some money and after that I’m fond of enjoying myself.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        84 months ago

        It’s all a really weird theatre isn’t it? This geopolitical stuff.

        Perhaps Ukraine should advance alongside the pipeline, which Russian troops dare not shell.

      • @Madison420
        link
        fedilink
        English
        54 months ago

        It may surprise you but inter nation deals during war are not at all uncommon. While we were bombing Berlin we were also selling them shit they needed and couldn’t get without us in exchange for shit we needed and couldn’t get without them.

        Capitalism gunna capitalize.

        • @interceder270
          link
          fedilink
          English
          124 months ago

          Why would that surprise him? He literally explained that’s what’s happening.

          • @Madison420
            link
            fedilink
            English
            14 months ago

            You as in the reader not you as in the commentor who I think understood the meaning hence the lack of response.