Apollo can’t afford Reddit’s fees and will be subject to auto-refund for shutting down, so users can help by declining the refund.
Reddit is going crazy because they are calling him a millionaire. I’m sorry, but making a million dollars over the past decade makes him paid less than a regular developer, and 1 million dollars can’t even buy you a crack shack in Canada.
Remember, Canada is the most expensive place to live. We have the most expensive housing and internet/data plans in the entire world.
Think logically. Don’t think like childish Redditors.
Wait, Redditors are now bandwagoning on this slander too? I just figured it was a bullshit claim that u/spez made that the rest of the Reddit community saw through and weren’t buying.
If there actually is a large number of people actually believing this shit, then my already rock-bottom hope for Reddit has somehow plummeted further.
Dude, it’s the internet. People are dumb by default around here. (Me very well included.)
Every reddit thread about Apollo is filled with hate against Apollo and christian.
The message that’s being repeated is that he’s made millions of the poor backs of reddit and should be ashamed for taking advantage of the free api. Him asking to decline the refund is a scam/fraud to squeeze the last money he can from his poor users.
I would not be surprised to find out that the posts comes from bot farms or spez himself.
On the bright side, having Apollo on his resume should make landing a good dev job (assuming he didn’t have one already) pretty easy.
He still shouldn’t be on the hook for $250k though.
They will still ask him to invert a binary tree, just to be sure he can code
Millionaire absolutely doesn’t mean what it did 30-40 years ago, too. Billionaire is a bit excessively high and isn’t quite comparable to what millionaire used to be, and while of course most people have way less due to how the economy works, having a net worth of 1 million isn’t a huge hurdle these days. We need a word for 100-millionaire. I’m sure Selig is not a 100-millionaire.
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Remember, Canada is the most expensive place to live.
and 1 million dollars can’t even buy you a crack shack in Canada.
Last I heard Winnipeg was part of Canada, and I’m seeing quite a lot of nice, sizable homes under a million dollars.
Oh, you mean specific cities in Canada? That leads us to this then:
No Canadian city made it into this top ten list.
None made it into this top ten list either.
We have the most expensive housing and internet/data plans in the entire world.
OK, let’s look at internet plans.
Oops. Not only does Canada have nowhere near the most expensive Internet access, it’s near the BOTTOM of costs relative to income worldwide!
Here’s the other thing - he’s maybe a millionaire, not a billionaire. That’s middle class, maybe upper middle class if he’s got other income
This is a normal person who just lost his job with little notice because of a greedy company, and, to add insult to injury, now has to come up with money for refunds out of the blue
I know I wouldn’t feel good taking back that money, whether he can afford it or not
Strange understanding of middle class right there, that includes the top 5% of US American population.
He’s not wrong. The owning class, the billionaires, are so ridiculously farther ahead that it makes millionaires middle class.
And this is why we need to tax them out of existence.
“Make Millionaires ‘Rich’ Again”
That may be as it is, but that does not make the richest 5% of any population middle class.
It absolutely does when 90% of the wealth is grouped in the top one or two percent.
The difference between a millionaire and a homeless person is tiny compared to the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire.
Wouldn’t the middle class be centered around the median, which would be completely unaffected by extreme outliers (such as the top 5%)?
I agree with the sentiment that the difference between a billion and a million is about a billion and all, and I’m not sure how things are actually defined… But I would think that it would make sense to use median income (instead of mean income) to determine what the “middle” class is precisely to avoid skew from outliers.
I suggest you tell the next homeless person that he’s practically a millionaire, when compared to Elon Musk, and see his face light up. He’ll thank you for the really useful reference point that practically gets him off the street.
That’s not what the word “practically” means and no one above you suggested such.
I agree with you that he’s better off than most people, but do you consider a boomer who bought a house for $150k in 1980, that’s now work $1m in 2023, to be upper class? Technically there’s plenty of upper middle class people worth $1-2m.
What’s your point exactly? That a millionaire could fix homelessness? Or do you disagree that 1M minus 0 is much smaller than 1B minus 1M?
Millionaires are only middle class now? What?
A million seconds is 12 days. A billion seconds is 31 years. That’s how far income inequality has come. So yes, millionaires are middle class. I know so many people that think they are well off but are stupidly poor when compared to the top 1%
1 million dollars over the last decade is 100k a year. That’s top 18% not top 5%. Top 5% would be over 350k a year. I’m just basing this off random Google stats so the numbers may shift a little but 100k is definitely upper middle class at best
A millionaire is a person who’s net worth is a million or more. As you noted that’s quite different from having had paychecks that sum up to a million.
Millionaires are definitely still well off but just to make a point: the average value of a US house is $450k. Add to this a $250k retirement fund and you’re already up to 0.7M in net worth.
Does the average person in America also own an average house? Without knowing the statistics I think what you describe there might fit for upper middle class.
And there’s still quite a way to go before millionaire.
It definitely is upper middle income and I’m not trying to imply otherwise. It’s just crazy to me that millionaires are so much closer to the average American than billionaires and corporations as far as income goes.
Are there really people who thought that a software dev who spends his time making a reddit app would be a billionaire?
It doesn’t say how to decline it in that article, will it just pop up after the shutdown date?
You should be prompted when opening after updating to the latest version.
I’m so glad there are still decent people who try to do the right thing. Then there are the people who run Reddit.
I just updated but there was no prompt for this, only the wallpaper prompt
Update: I checked the Apollo sub and apparently many lifetime plan users don’t have the option to decline the refund. That’s a shame… Hope they fix it soon or I’ll just leave a tip tomorrow
I could be wrong, but my understanding was it’s only for monthly plans. I don’t think there are any automatic refunds for lifetime subscribers
Yeah that definitely makes sense. Thank you! I didn’t remember there was a monthly subscription option and thought everyone bought one time because I got mine super early on
Good wallpapers, though
Did not get any other pop-ups after making a donation. Hopefully it will show up at some point.
This is hearbreaking news - and I’m a little shocked to realise that the creators of Apollo can’t simply walk away from the app which got scuttled (or, more likely, actively sabotaged by deliberately extreme Reddit attack).
They should be able to take this to court to redirect the affected people to claim their refund from Reddit.
Reddit doesn’t owe them a refund… Apollo Inc. should owe them a refund and the developer simply walks away, because he’s not personally responsible for Apollo Inc’s debts.
Except he’s a nice person and not a piece of shit
Your definition of a being a nice person is for one individual to take a $250k personal loss instead of hundreds of people only getting 6 months on their 12 month subscription to a news reader instead of the full 12 months?
Yes and that’s why people like him and will follow him on whatever product he makes next. He’s basically future proofing his brand
I am a bit confused about this. I paid a one time fee to Apollo for features but I would not expect him to refund that. I re-downloaded the app (deleted it 3 weeks ago when I left Reddit) and did not see the option to opt out of a refund. I want to make sure that Christian does not have to pay out for me.
I believe the refund is for people who paid for a yearly subscription. Those people will get a refund for approximately half the price they paid because they only got to use the app for half a year.
Which is a sensible policy, generally speaking.
It is only for the subscriptions that are still active and the refund is for the portion last July 1st
I still haven’t seen this option appear anywhere.
It was made available in the update that was released today. So you’ll need to update the app and then when you launch it after the update you should be presented with it.
I have the latest, but that never appeared. I tooted at Christian on Mastodon about it. We’ll see if he responds.
Lmao is “toot” the equivalent of “tweet” on mastodon?
Yes, which is unfortunate is you’re American.
Huh?
“Toot” to Americans is another word for fart. I believe they use toot because it fits in with the Mastodon animal theme. Which makes sense. But when the whole twitter migration started, it was off-putting to a lot of people.
Ohh I gotcha! Lol that’s funny. I haven’t really checked out mastodon yet so am out of the loop
Help with what?
Not gonna do it. Remember that Apollo dev lied that the paid pro version will never have ads and then started spamming popup ads for their ultra version a couple months ago
I wont be doing this as when I tried to pay for the wallpapers it took my money and gave me nothing
Go to settings, and in the top left there should be an option for “Wallpapers”, and they should all display there. Make sure your app is fully up to date. They’ve actually added 6 new ones since i tipped a few hours ago.
It still shows the purchase page despite my payment going through
Would it be possible for you to send me the wallpapers? I can give you proof of the purchase and Apollo is not recognising it.
Absolutely, im not at home right now but give me a few hours and I will gladly send them over.
Absolutely, im not at home right now but give me a few hours and I will gladly send them over.
