A gun should do the same damage as another gun given it’s setup the same.

A coachman with the same mods as another coachman should do the same damage.

But make it “Rarer” and suddenly it does more damage? How?

The receivers in Fo4, I could forgive for game-play purposes, maybe you could reload your brass with more powder or whatever, but the rarity system just doesn’t make sense, and honestly pisses me off.

  • all-knight-party
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    It’s obviously done to give more power scaling as you play for longer, but I agree, how Fallout 4 did it was just fine, I didn’t feel like I was wanting for more swapping of my weapons for higher rarities, because I was already modifying my weapons semi-regularly anyway.

    • @[email protected]
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      210 months ago

      I wish you could mod weapons in fallout 4 to make them as good as the later weapons, like the 50 cal pipe rifle looks interesting and I would like to use it but it socks and I can’t make it any better, would have been cool if you could

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        I think that’s part of the progression, though, you sort of outgrow the ghetto pipe weapons and move into proper weapons, and that second tier that the combat rifle sits in is good enough for end game with upgrades.

        Otherwise a player might feel good enough sitting on pipe weapons all game and subtly feel less progression and satisfaction from the game due to lack of visual novelty and progression in weapons.

        However, they probably could’ve added more upgrades to keep using the pipe weapons, but have them unlock late or through specific quests you’d have to seek out, and make them very expensive material-wise to disincentivize sticking with the same weapon all game, but still allow it.

        • @[email protected]
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          210 months ago

          Yeah end game upgrades like the ballistic weave would have been nice, like the last perk could let you upgrade to the 50 cal and that should do similar damage to other 50 cals or something

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            I think you’re spot on there, ballistic weave does essentially exactly that, but for armor. Maybe they could’ve attached a weapon version of it to the Minuteman quest chain and give more incentive for more players to do that stuff

    • @Zahille7
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      710 months ago

      Nanomachines, son.

  • @Im_old
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    310 months ago

    I played a lot of borderlands, I don’t get your point /j

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    210 months ago

    I’m confused. Are you talking about rarity or (what I like to call) quality? A rare weapon has 1-3 extra modifiers, like +10% damage to humanoids. Quality affects base damage. An Advanced higher quality weapon does more base damage than Calibrated, for instance.

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      -410 months ago

      Yeah. It bugs me, it doesn’t make sense to me. I know it’s for gameplay purposes, but I’d rather more guns to fill up the higher levels than a few guns with “quality” modifiers.

      • Zeusbottom
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        210 months ago

        I don’t disagree. Those guns could use bigger and more expensive ammo also.

  • @jordanlund
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    110 months ago

    Let’s say you have a real world “firearm” like the Mossberg Shockwave:

    https://www.mossberg.com/media/catalog/product/cache/e481e64536a684f69707b47f11cbf51f/5/0/50659_590_shockwave_wrhx6vjw8s0lqwpi.jpg

    12 gauge, pump action, 5+1 capacity.

    The action and machinery on it is the same as the full size 590, but the shorter barrel and birds head stock changes the performance on it.

    On either of them, you make one small modification and now you can use “shorty” shells. So instead of 5+1 or 6+1, now you’re looking at 9+1, maybe more.

    https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/mossberg-s-590s-short-shell-specialist/

    • ThrowawayOP
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      010 months ago

      But those are still modifications. In SF, you can have identical weapons, and they will have different damage just because of some rarity thing.

      Also, minishells are cool af. I just wish my semi-auto could cycle them.