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Scientists Have Reported a Breakthrough In Understanding Whale Language::Researchers have identified new elements of whale vocalizations that they propose are analogous to human speech, including vowels and pitch.
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Not only did the AI predict elements of whale vocalizations already thought to be meaningful, such as clicks, but it also singled out acoustic properties.
This is an amazing use of machine learning models.
Can’t wait for them to tell us to stop being fuckheads and ruining the planet
“So long and thanks for all the fish”
“end capitalism”
NOC’s vocalizations were recorded and studied by a team of biologists from the National Marine Mammal Foundation (NMMF) led by Sam Ridgway. In 1984, Ridgway and others at the NMMF began to hear peculiar sounds coming from the whale and dolphin enclosure. They were reminiscent of two people talking in the distance, the words just beyond the limit of comprehension.[5] Later, a diver working in the enclosure came to the surface after he heard someone cry “out, out, out!”[1] After he asked his colleagues “Who told me to get out?”, they realized it had been NOC.
That was a trip.
“the whales are communists, kill them all”
we already are lol
Imagine if we managed to make a translator for the speech of an animal, knowing what they say and being able to say something back. Literally speaking with animals. That would have been so amazing and revolutionizing.
Honestly? We’d just fuck it all up, and find some way to exploit it.
If they could, the first words they speak to us would likely be akin to “Fuck you!”, or “Just what the fuck exactly is wrong with you people?”
I mean, would animals necessarily make a distinction between humans and other types of predatory or dangerous animal, understand exactly what our impact on their habitat actually is (something like warming temperatures would be hard to associate with us if you didn’t know about human co2 emissions or the greenhouse effect, for instance), and understand that our technology is an extension of our control and not some other, strange symbiotic creature? Considering whales have no technology of their own and therefore probably very little understanding of the concept, they might not realize things like ships and fishing boats are entirely our doing and not some massive surface creature that eats all the fish, that land dwelling creatures like us live on top of like barnacles. And assuming they do understand what our ships are, they might hate or fear us from passed down stories of whalers, or encounters with those whaling ships that still exist, but would they think of us much differently than how they’d think of other predators to whales, like orcas?
They might think the boats have trapped us like they trap whales and fish, they probably want to team up against the menace
Yeah, exploitation like this is a big concern in the digital bioacoustics community with groups like Earth Species Project.
You saying this group is good or bad? It would certainly be transformative to hear what the animals are saying, an ancient fantasy of humankind, magic.
So far as I know they are great, I mean it is a concern of theirs. They do some cool stuff, they have a fairly active discord with quite a bit in it.
“Do you think the human chattering means anything?”
First translation
Here is an elephant translator:
https://www.helloinelephant.com/
I dont think its great or anything, a bit of a gimmick. Really, the most decoded animal language is probably prairie dogs, but I’ve not heard of anyone trying to make a translator for it.
Sokath, his eyes uncovered.
Temba. His arms wide.
Kadir beneath Mo Moteh.
I’m too drunk to taste this chicken
THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS!!!
Will and Gracie, in the tank.
Chekov, finding Alameeda
what does this reference
It’s such a good commentary on language, how we understand it.
Hell yeah, I hope it works for orcas too so I can thank the ones that have been trashing the yachts.
How do I say “I support my seafaring cetacean brethren” in Orca?
I’m learning how to sail right now. It would be great to have that sorted out before I make my way by Gibraltar.
Huge rock, can’t miss it.
Follow the stars and don’t look down
Don’t blast heavy metal.
So what I’m hearing is they can literally talk to each other in a way that we do and we still kill them constantly.
We kill humans constantly too, and we probably obliterated the rest of the hominins also. I’m just saying we have a chequered track record.
Are we the baddies?
While I always love a Mitchell and Webb reference, I can say I don’t think so. I think the book Humanity by Rutger Bregman is a good reminder that we are mostly good.
Agreed. It’s just that it’s really easy for a small amount of people to do a lot of bad things. It’s hard to maintain, harder to build, and easy to destroy.
However take in context that it’s written by a human. Of course we will say we’re mostly good. If Pol Pot wrote a book about Pol Pot he’d probably say he was mostly good too.
Well believe it or not the book isn’t one page whose entire contents read “We’re good”. It is a whole well reasoned length of prose supporting that with reason.
I understand but it’s written by us lol. Not that any other creature can write a book but consider the absurdity for a moment. We are saying we’re mostly good.
Is this you?
Yep. Back left, trying hard not to sexualize Annie.
I share this understanding with you and this is why I say that AI will absolutely kill us because that is what we would do. It’s trained on our data afterall.
I guess, but it feels to me like wiping out a species close to our intelligence is worse that killing each other.
This is big news! We’ve got a lemmy community specifically about Digital Bioacoustics (technology and animal communication) for anyone interested.
Oooh, look! The translation’s coming through!!
Thanks… for… all… the…
…
For what? Thanks for all the what?!
Ovaltine
Obama?
Fuck, you people are everywhere, hunh?
This is what I came here for
Fish
“I wish I could speak whale!” - Dory
Oooooooookayyyyyyy
“So Long, and thanks for all the fish”
They probably have nothing interesting to say anyway. After a year or two all the scientists will be like “I fucking know you like krill, whale. Shut the fuck up about the krill already”.
[Arthur Dent] learned to communicate with birds and discovered that their conversation was fantastically boring. It was all to do with wind speed, wingspans, power-to-weight ratios, and a fair bit about berries.
– Douglas Adams, 'Life, the Universe, and Everything.
I kind of still want to know what I’m sleeping to.
Horny whale noises
“Can I try putting it in your blowhole this time?”
No Frank, idw Whale cum in my lung again.
To a whale, whale cum is just regular cum.
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What they’re saying is: “All shall perish” as they proceed to kill people and smash yachts.
Flippity floppity y’all on my property
That’d be really metal
More of a yacht rock thing.
Gracie is pregnant.
Uh-oh. Risa’s leaking again.
Alameda… Nuclear vessels.
“Wessles.” FTFY
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How did you know Gracie’s pregnant? Nobody knows that!
Gracie does.
They’re still using money. We’ve got to get some.
So just fucking say what it is! We know they’re intelligent. Just tell us how they all think we’re running the planet.
They’ve already dispatched Orcas to send that message. We don’t seem to be getting it.
Realistically, other whales would probably hate orcas, given they hunt whale calves
This statement does not fit my joke.
How can I delete someone else’s comment?
Write a stern letter to the Internet Committee, explaining your grievances. I’m sure they are happy to assist, especially on cases like this one! 👍
Thank you. Will they raise the issue with the Lords of the Internet???
I wouldn’t go THAT far! Before you know it backfires 🤢
No, they’ll need to raise it with the Elders if the Internet.
Oh shoot! I got it wrong. lol. Thanks for setting me straight! The Elders won’t be pleased with me.
You have to type your password into a comment, post it, and then hop on one leg while refreshing lemmy for 10 minutes. After that, it should delete the user’s comment.
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I think I’m doing something wrong. Does it matter which leg I hop on? Does it have to be mine???
Yes, and no.
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I don’t understand? Is this a weird joke about women being attracted to violent guys or something?
“Yoooooooouuuuuuuu guuuuuuuuuuyyyyyyysssss reallllllllllllyyyyyyy suuuuuuuuuuuuccccccckkkkkk. Exccccceeeept Garrrrrrryyyyyyy. Heeeee’sssss niiiiicccceeeeeeeeeooooooooo.” -The Whales probably.
It certainly worked for you.
“Who turned up the heat?”
If complete mutually intelligible communication of complex ideas with another species is undeniably proven, that will be a massive boon for veganism(although of course not all animals are equal), and a legal quagmire. What do you do if they are suffering in ways that we can fix due to their environment? Like humans were, and then we changed our environment. Do you give whales weapons so they can defend themselves from orcas? Do you shoot whale pochers? Do you shoot orcas attacking whales? Do you farm krill for them to eat? Do you drastically alter the ocean surface to be more comfortable for whales?
After all, most people recognize it as good to alter a person’s natural state(hunting and gathering from caves) for the better, so would that not be the same for animals that are considered essentially people or near-people?
We don’t even treat other humans on earth with dignity and respect and you think anything will change for whales as drastically as you propose? Maybe I’m mega jaded but I see this having little impact.
Last time I checked you don’t eat abstract linguistic concepts.
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Nobody said anything about complex ideas. Maybe they just said. “food here”
Speaking to animals would be cool but I doubt they’d have much to share other than basic instincts.
Nobody said anything about complex ideas.
Well actually having a language allows way more complex ideas than ever communicated with an animal before
What is this idea about not eating non-humans I communicate with. I speak with my plants too and they entertain complex thought. Do I have to stop eating them? There is nothing out there that isn’t a person. Continue eating as you see fit and be kind to the living.
Speaking to something doesn’t mean it understands and reacts to it.
Speaking is an act of changing reality, always. If you want to go as far as calling this ‘speaking to’ is up to you.
Just in time for them to go extinct. It’ll be helpful in a few hundred years though when we need to travel back in time again.
