When nobody in power will lift a finger to earn your vote but they’re falling all over themselves trying to stomp out a robust protest movement, that tells you what the powerful are actually afraid…
If I give you a gun and you kill someone with it. Does that make me a murder? No. An accessory to it perhaps if I was aware of your intentions. But that’s all.
Yes. But it isn’t the same thing. It’s an important distinction. One which a lot of people for propaganda purposes are ignoring. And makes it that much easier to dismiss the complaints of people with valid criticisms. We shouldn’t be complicit enabling or having any part in genocide. But what is real and Netanyahu is doing is vastly different from what Biden or anyone else in the United States is doing.
Yes, we sell weapons to probably half the world. And we should absolutely hard stop providing more to Israel while they are doing genocide, but selling a thing and using the thing for evil are not at all the same. Biden isn’t committing genocide any more than Ford is for vehicle deaths or Colt for making AR-15s used in mass shootings.
For the record I think we should condemn Israel and stop all trade until they stop. I also think the US needs to stop being world police and cut our own military spending way back.
But I’m so tired of the BS “Biden’s genocide because he sold them weapons” stuff.
LMFAO and YET we have mass shootings almost weekly in this country and that example seems to be exactly what is happening. How do we explain the angry people that are purchasing AR-15s and shit from gun shows and stores and no one seems to give a flying fuck? Just, here ya go, want some extra ammo clips?
We need to have better common sense gun laws over here and we need to stop blaming other people that aren’t responsible for things. How about we blame Israel and Netanyahu? Maybe? Is that too much to ask for?
And to be clear, I do not really like Biden, but he’s a hell of a lot better than Trump. And unfortunately he is the only option we have until we reform our voting system.
And yes, at this point I do think it is fair to call Biden a genocide enabler. Because he KNOWS genocide is happening and continues to send supplies and weapons and is NOT outright condemning it.
I just dislike saying Biden is doing it, it shifts the blame off Netanyahu.
The level of deflection yanks go to is astronomical. I’m not sure if it’s lack of education, logic, common sense, or just swallowing propaganda wholesale daily.
It’s not US fault when it supplies weapons for ethnic cleansing or genocide, or does one itself (multiple times), but as soon as some country’s name comes up in the inventory of weapons to Russia, they’re exactly like Russia, guilty of crimes against humanity and ready to be sanctioned off.
Also cars are not sold primarily to kill, you dc.
We all know any progress is Biden’s doing but every failure is “that’s not how it works” bullshit.
If you’re tired of not electing war criminals or those that directly support one, maybe do something about it than cry about it on the internet as truth smacks you in the face.
We don’t HAVE options here. It’s Biden or Trump… Again.
And don’t even start with the BS lines of 3rd party blah blah. That will never happen under FPTP voting here. We are stuck with voting against one of the two leading candidates and that’s it.
If we had Ranked Choice Voting then YEAH for sure. I’d vote for someone other than Biden in a heartbeat, but we don’t, so I am forced to vote to keep Trump out, and Biden is the only option for that. And if Biden doesn’t win, Trump will.
So what would you have me do? Vote for Trump and make war crimes increase? Not vote? Vote 3rd party and risk Trump winning? I’m listening.
And I AM doing what I can to elect better people, but my one vote isn’t doing much if others aren’t helping. So, maybe talking about this on the Internet is EXACTLY what needs to be happening.
I do everything I can locally and in primaries and before the main presidential elections. I vote for who I actually want in all those. But for the main election I’m going to keep Trump out of office the best way possible and voting 3rd party isn’t it.
Until we have ranked choice voting across the board we ARE stuck with a 2 party system. Arguing against that is ignoring decades of proof on some weird hope that “maybe this time our 3rd party guy might win” and they never do.
I don’t see how any of what you just said relates to what I just said. Positive change towards Socialism cannot happen electorally, so if you want to vote for Biden, go for it. It won’t move us any closer to Socialism.
Oh, maybe I misunderstood. Sorry. Yes I agree. It’s why I want to see Ranked Choice Voting being pushed. That would get more socialist leaning candidates that could implement some social policies to benefit all of us.
Ranked choice would be nice, but I don’t share your optimism that it could be implemented broadly in the US, nor would it allow Socialist leaning candidates to take office.
The US is built on Imperialism and maintaining its status in the global order, any candidates that go against that would be ruthlessly slandered by the media and near forcibly removed.
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The weapons and money every single US President has provided them for the last 76 years.
Approximately $300 billion worth.
https://www.cfr.org/article/us-aid-israel-four-charts
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It’s not an argument to keep the policy, it’s an argument that calling this “Biden’s genocide” is bullshit.
things escalated a lot and have been allowed to continue, it is even being actively financed by him. he has the power to deescalate, he doesn’t.
Biden’s perspective is that he’s continuing to support Israel.
The problem is that Bibi and his team are utterly misapropriating that support.
If I give you a gun and you kill someone with it. Does that make me a murder? No. An accessory to it perhaps if I was aware of your intentions. But that’s all.
An accessory to genocide is still pretty bad, especially when it’s not condemned as it’s happening.
Yes. But it isn’t the same thing. It’s an important distinction. One which a lot of people for propaganda purposes are ignoring. And makes it that much easier to dismiss the complaints of people with valid criticisms. We shouldn’t be complicit enabling or having any part in genocide. But what is real and Netanyahu is doing is vastly different from what Biden or anyone else in the United States is doing.
If someone is on a killing spree and runs out of Ammo and I give you more ammo to continue that killing spree than that blood is on my hands.
Stoo defending Bidens genocide
Probably guns
Yes, we sell weapons to probably half the world. And we should absolutely hard stop providing more to Israel while they are doing genocide, but selling a thing and using the thing for evil are not at all the same. Biden isn’t committing genocide any more than Ford is for vehicle deaths or Colt for making AR-15s used in mass shootings.
For the record I think we should condemn Israel and stop all trade until they stop. I also think the US needs to stop being world police and cut our own military spending way back.
But I’m so tired of the BS “Biden’s genocide because he sold them weapons” stuff.
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LMFAO and YET we have mass shootings almost weekly in this country and that example seems to be exactly what is happening. How do we explain the angry people that are purchasing AR-15s and shit from gun shows and stores and no one seems to give a flying fuck? Just, here ya go, want some extra ammo clips?
We need to have better common sense gun laws over here and we need to stop blaming other people that aren’t responsible for things. How about we blame Israel and Netanyahu? Maybe? Is that too much to ask for?
And to be clear, I do not really like Biden, but he’s a hell of a lot better than Trump. And unfortunately he is the only option we have until we reform our voting system.
And yes, at this point I do think it is fair to call Biden a genocide enabler. Because he KNOWS genocide is happening and continues to send supplies and weapons and is NOT outright condemning it.
I just dislike saying Biden is doing it, it shifts the blame off Netanyahu.
The level of deflection yanks go to is astronomical. I’m not sure if it’s lack of education, logic, common sense, or just swallowing propaganda wholesale daily.
It’s not US fault when it supplies weapons for ethnic cleansing or genocide, or does one itself (multiple times), but as soon as some country’s name comes up in the inventory of weapons to Russia, they’re exactly like Russia, guilty of crimes against humanity and ready to be sanctioned off.
Also cars are not sold primarily to kill, you dc.
We all know any progress is Biden’s doing but every failure is “that’s not how it works” bullshit.
If you’re tired of not electing war criminals or those that directly support one, maybe do something about it than cry about it on the internet as truth smacks you in the face.
We don’t HAVE options here. It’s Biden or Trump… Again.
And don’t even start with the BS lines of 3rd party blah blah. That will never happen under FPTP voting here. We are stuck with voting against one of the two leading candidates and that’s it.
If we had Ranked Choice Voting then YEAH for sure. I’d vote for someone other than Biden in a heartbeat, but we don’t, so I am forced to vote to keep Trump out, and Biden is the only option for that. And if Biden doesn’t win, Trump will.
So what would you have me do? Vote for Trump and make war crimes increase? Not vote? Vote 3rd party and risk Trump winning? I’m listening.
And I AM doing what I can to elect better people, but my one vote isn’t doing much if others aren’t helping. So, maybe talking about this on the Internet is EXACTLY what needs to be happening.
Positive change does not come from electoralism. Vote for whoever you want, but organize and help gain traction for leftist movements.
I do everything I can locally and in primaries and before the main presidential elections. I vote for who I actually want in all those. But for the main election I’m going to keep Trump out of office the best way possible and voting 3rd party isn’t it.
Until we have ranked choice voting across the board we ARE stuck with a 2 party system. Arguing against that is ignoring decades of proof on some weird hope that “maybe this time our 3rd party guy might win” and they never do.
I don’t see how any of what you just said relates to what I just said. Positive change towards Socialism cannot happen electorally, so if you want to vote for Biden, go for it. It won’t move us any closer to Socialism.
Oh, maybe I misunderstood. Sorry. Yes I agree. It’s why I want to see Ranked Choice Voting being pushed. That would get more socialist leaning candidates that could implement some social policies to benefit all of us.
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Ranked choice would be nice, but I don’t share your optimism that it could be implemented broadly in the US, nor would it allow Socialist leaning candidates to take office.
The US is built on Imperialism and maintaining its status in the global order, any candidates that go against that would be ruthlessly slandered by the media and near forcibly removed.