The governors of Pennsylvania, Oklahoma and Virginia wrote a letter Tuesday asking the territory to show mercy to the Americans arrested on the island.
There is zero evidence that any of these people arrested were intentionally bringing ammo into their country. The woman in the article was actually caught with 2 rounds in her bag when she was leaving the country.
So you are worried about them smuggling bullets 2 at a time INTO the U.S.? Seems pretty ineffective. This is just advocating for harassing people over doing something stupid with no intent to hurt anyone. They needed to be more responsible, give them a fine. Imprisonment should be recouperating people
No they flew out of the U.S. and TSA missed the bullets. They finished their trip, then they were stopped getting on the plane back to the U.S. They would be smuggling them into the U.S. If they were stopped going to that country, they would have been stopped by TSA and questioned on U.S. soil. For the most part, there isn’t airport security when you get off a plane or switch terminals if you have a layoff
Maybe TSA didn’t miss the bullets, at least from what I read. They don’t care if you have bullets in checked luggage, and they don’t care about foreign laws on ammo. And customs only gets serious when you’re entering the country.
Many countries check your checked lugage at immigration, when you enter. Again it is not clear from the article, but I could easily imagine folks getting busted at immigration upon entering the Turks and Caicos. Also, some countries check bags on departure, to cut down on smuggling of turtles or artifacts or whatever.
If they got caught with 4 rounds on their way out, then there’s no telling how many they brought with them. A smuggler would be incentivized to downplay and minimize their crime. Maybe that’s why the penalty is so heavy.
If they brought 0 out there is no telling how many they brought in, locking up people for 12 years for a crime they didnt see is ridiculous. Comparison example: Person pulled over driving back into Colorado has a finished roach in his ash tray. Would you think imprisonment for 12 years on the chance that they smuggled pounds of weed to a non-recreational state next door? Or would you say they were an idiot for putting a roach (stray bullets) in a car ashtray (carrying bag) and traveling across a border where it isn’t legal on one side. I’d give that person a fine as well. (Assuming they can pass a DUI test and they weren’t high at the time they were driving).
Comparison example: Person pulled over driving back into Colorado has a finished roach in his ash tray. Would you think imprisonment for 12 years on the chance that they smuggled pounds of weed to a non-recreational state next door?
They are not in America? The legal standard is likely different. I think being that I’m not from Turks & Caicos makes my opinion on their prison-terms irrelevant. I do think it’s a mistake as an American for my fellow Americans to travel around the world while acting like the laws and general legal-systems of other countries operate exactly the same as ours.
Please try not to take my prior post to this one too seriously. It was a lazy way for me to try to illustrate the idea I laid out in this post. My only real point is this: When in Rome do as the Romans do.
12 years for accidentally bringing 4 rounds into a foreign country for a husband and father of two? Regardless of what you think of this guy, that is extreme.
A father of two carelessly leaving ammunition lying around? That guy should neither have guns nor children. The length of the prison sentence is definitely excessive so it matches perfectly well with the US justice system.
As an american: no mercy. You should always be looking up whether its legal to transfer weapons when you visit another country.
There is zero evidence that any of these people arrested were intentionally bringing ammo into their country. The woman in the article was actually caught with 2 rounds in her bag when she was leaving the country.
She accidentally had two rounds of loose ammo by the sound of it. She didn’t transfer a weapon.
Doesn’t matter, diligence is still a must.
So you are worried about them smuggling bullets 2 at a time INTO the U.S.? Seems pretty ineffective. This is just advocating for harassing people over doing something stupid with no intent to hurt anyone. They needed to be more responsible, give them a fine. Imprisonment should be recouperating people
This is them smuggling onto foreign soil, no?
No they flew out of the U.S. and TSA missed the bullets. They finished their trip, then they were stopped getting on the plane back to the U.S. They would be smuggling them into the U.S. If they were stopped going to that country, they would have been stopped by TSA and questioned on U.S. soil. For the most part, there isn’t airport security when you get off a plane or switch terminals if you have a layoff
Maybe TSA didn’t miss the bullets, at least from what I read. They don’t care if you have bullets in checked luggage, and they don’t care about foreign laws on ammo. And customs only gets serious when you’re entering the country.
Many countries check your checked lugage at immigration, when you enter. Again it is not clear from the article, but I could easily imagine folks getting busted at immigration upon entering the Turks and Caicos. Also, some countries check bags on departure, to cut down on smuggling of turtles or artifacts or whatever.
“Grier, who was on her way back to Florida when she was detained, appeared in court Thursday, police said. Her next hearing is July 5.”
The TSA also told the news reporters they missed ammo elsewhere in the article. It was all there
If they got caught with 4 rounds on their way out, then there’s no telling how many they brought with them. A smuggler would be incentivized to downplay and minimize their crime. Maybe that’s why the penalty is so heavy.
If they brought 0 out there is no telling how many they brought in, locking up people for 12 years for a crime they didnt see is ridiculous. Comparison example: Person pulled over driving back into Colorado has a finished roach in his ash tray. Would you think imprisonment for 12 years on the chance that they smuggled pounds of weed to a non-recreational state next door? Or would you say they were an idiot for putting a roach (stray bullets) in a car ashtray (carrying bag) and traveling across a border where it isn’t legal on one side. I’d give that person a fine as well. (Assuming they can pass a DUI test and they weren’t high at the time they were driving).
They are not in America? The legal standard is likely different. I think being that I’m not from Turks & Caicos makes my opinion on their prison-terms irrelevant. I do think it’s a mistake as an American for my fellow Americans to travel around the world while acting like the laws and general legal-systems of other countries operate exactly the same as ours.
Please try not to take my prior post to this one too seriously. It was a lazy way for me to try to illustrate the idea I laid out in this post. My only real point is this: When in Rome do as the Romans do.
I mentioned in another thread how stories like this convinced me to never use the same bag for travel as your daily driver. It made people sad.
Yeah, I made a similar but much less serious mistake doing that. Once.
I hope somebody shows you the same mercy you have shown these people with that comment.
12 years for accidentally bringing 4 rounds into a foreign country for a husband and father of two? Regardless of what you think of this guy, that is extreme.
A father of two carelessly leaving ammunition lying around? That guy should neither have guns nor children. The length of the prison sentence is definitely excessive so it matches perfectly well with the US justice system.
I understand lots of people aren’t familiar with guns and may be afraid of them, but loose ammo in a bag is harmless.