It’s actually kind of a fucked up term but a lot of people don’t consider it, it’s both super racist and classist. I don’t really think less of anyone for saying it because it’s such a common term but I personally don’t like using it.
The original implication is that poor white folks are “trash”, comparing them to enslaved African Americans.
I always read it as referring to people who are (a) white and (b) trash, without either adjective implying all A are B or vice versa. Like: I’ve got a red cup on my desk, but that doesn’t mean everything red is a cup or that all cups are red.
The Wikipedia article even describes it very much like how I did. Like I said, I understand how people view it but the word at the least has very nasty roots
That was a fascinating wiki read. I’m not equating the two terms, but it definitely has its likeness with the n word in terms of etymology and white (specifically Anglo) supremacy.
You make a good point, but I don’t think that holds in the case of combining insults with people groups. Consider “jedi scum” or “filthy thieves” for example.
I also find it to be a derogatory, distasteful, and bigoted term. I definetly think less of people I hear who use it, & hope eventually it will be dropped from the cultural conciousness like other bigoted terms.
It’s a way to police what “whiteness” should be, and is a term I’ve only ever heard from well off and judgemental people.
I’ve heard a lot of poor folk use it too, it’s basically just a derogatory term for a redneck in the Midwest where I live. I don’t think a lot of people really understand it’s implications.
That’s fair. It’s definetly one of those offensive terms people use without necessarily thinking about, like “getting gyped” or “pot calling the kettle black”.
Knowing is half the battle & raising awareness is half of activism lol
This term is trickier since it is entangled with Europe’s long standing use of blackness to denote wrongness. & that whole dichotomy of good=white bad=black is an often talked about source of controversy in literature.
As the wiki says “It means a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault which the accuser shares”. In the case of the quote the fault is being black. Both pot and kettle are black.
Here is an article I found that did a good job delving into the topic. They end up agreeing the term is okay to use but also offer some alternative phrases that side step the potentially offensive phrasing. My fav was, “the wifi calling the narrator unreliable”.
I agree with the article that the phrase has nothing to do with race. Also, blackness in the idiom doesn’t connote shame or badness and it’s ok to use it.
The term usually refers to white people who are poor and uneducated, often live in rural areas. This is to group them with the traditional stereotypes of ethnic minorities who are stereotyped to share a similar socioeconomic status. And to separate them from the good respectable white people who have money and jobs and education.
Do people really not know this term anymore?
I’ve heard the term, but the only meaning for it I can think of is that they’re trash because they’re white.
It’s actually kind of a fucked up term but a lot of people don’t consider it, it’s both super racist and classist. I don’t really think less of anyone for saying it because it’s such a common term but I personally don’t like using it. The original implication is that poor white folks are “trash”, comparing them to enslaved African Americans.
I always read it as referring to people who are (a) white and (b) trash, without either adjective implying all A are B or vice versa. Like: I’ve got a red cup on my desk, but that doesn’t mean everything red is a cup or that all cups are red.
The Wikipedia article even describes it very much like how I did. Like I said, I understand how people view it but the word at the least has very nasty roots
That was a fascinating wiki read. I’m not equating the two terms, but it definitely has its likeness with the n word in terms of etymology and white (specifically Anglo) supremacy.
You make a good point, but I don’t think that holds in the case of combining insults with people groups. Consider “jedi scum” or “filthy thieves” for example.
I also find it to be a derogatory, distasteful, and bigoted term. I definetly think less of people I hear who use it, & hope eventually it will be dropped from the cultural conciousness like other bigoted terms.
It’s a way to police what “whiteness” should be, and is a term I’ve only ever heard from well off and judgemental people.
I’ve heard a lot of poor folk use it too, it’s basically just a derogatory term for a redneck in the Midwest where I live. I don’t think a lot of people really understand it’s implications.
That’s fair. It’s definetly one of those offensive terms people use without necessarily thinking about, like “getting gyped” or “pot calling the kettle black”.
Knowing is half the battle & raising awareness is half of activism lol
“Pot calling the kettle black” isn’t racist though, you gotta know the right things and raise the right awareness.
This term is trickier since it is entangled with Europe’s long standing use of blackness to denote wrongness. & that whole dichotomy of good=white bad=black is an often talked about source of controversy in literature.
As the wiki says “It means a situation in which somebody accuses someone else of a fault which the accuser shares”. In the case of the quote the fault is being black. Both pot and kettle are black.
Here is an article I found that did a good job delving into the topic. They end up agreeing the term is okay to use but also offer some alternative phrases that side step the potentially offensive phrasing. My fav was, “the wifi calling the narrator unreliable”.
Well, white people aren’t white and black people aren’t black, so there’s that.
I agree with the article that the phrase has nothing to do with race. Also, blackness in the idiom doesn’t connote shame or badness and it’s ok to use it.
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The term usually refers to white people who are poor and uneducated, often live in rural areas. This is to group them with the traditional stereotypes of ethnic minorities who are stereotyped to share a similar socioeconomic status. And to separate them from the good respectable white people who have money and jobs and education.
Oh wow, that’s worse than I thought. Honestly, I was half expecting a “yeah, that’s what it is, but it’s actually okay because…”
The historical usage is that they’re trash despite their whiteness. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash