The richest 1% in the Netherlands pay relatively less tax than everyone else and their incomes have risen more sharply, according to new calculations by the government’s macro-economic forecasting agency CPB. Earlier research, based on figures from 2016, showed that people on the highest incomes pay less tax and the new figures, based on the period 2011 to 2019, paint a similar picture. The very richest, or 0.01% of the population, paid a tax rate of some 28%, well below the 40% paid by people with average incomes...
Yeah and those 28% they “pay” they probably get back from the irs with some creative number swapping… fuck off they dont pay shit. Meanwhile i have to pay for my electricity twice, one to use it and second time because i also produce it because i have solar panels and dont use it al straight away. fuck off please.
The Dutch equivalent to the IRS, but yes, probably… And that’s for a “progressive” country like the Netherlands. For other places this income and tax disparity is potentially* even higher.
I could have said de belastingdienst. But then ppl might think i had a slight stroke :)
Oh and for the progressive? That went out the window a few years ago. We are actually heading in the opposite direction. At least when it comes to drugs, lgbtq and stuff
Ha that sounds like “burdening” in Danish. Funny your IRS is called that.
Here it’s called SKAT which is the same word we use for “darling”, also a bit ironic IMO.
Selling surplus production from solar panels have been pretty worthless the past month here too. But that doesn’t change that the production I use myself, is very profitable because the transport and taxes are very expensive and those are saved too. The electricity itself is dirt cheap currently, actually most days around zero during daytime. I bet it’s similar your place. (I’m in Denmark)
I don’t quite understand why you feel cheated, when in fact you are also doing some tax evasion of sorts having solar panels, as you don’t have to pay taxes on the electricity you have produced yourself. Are you really whining you can’t get above market price for the electricity you sell?
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OK since I’m downvoted I may be wrong, are you saying you have to pay taxes on the power you use you produced yourself? I find that hard to believe.
Well i (didnt downvote btw) yes we pay tax on both. That is when we use power when there is no sun i have to buy it from the power company with jot just 1 but several taxes. The power i produce (i have many solarpanels and cannot use all of it when its produced) i send that back which costs money and yes also taxed. I could break down the tax system for “normal” ppl but i would just give you nightmares. I also have seen a construction a friend (accountant) of mine uses for a rich client, but thise things are so fucking complicated i just trust him when he says they pay almost nothing (1 or 2%)
You forgot to mention the thing I asked, do you pay tax on the power you produce that you use yourself? Obviously you should pay the same taxes as everybody else on power you buy, here the power we sell isn’t taxed on private installations less than 20kWh I think is the limit. Above that, it’s taxed as income. Still I bet you don’t pay taxes on the power you make and use yourself.
There are 3 scenarios, and here the system is:
1 Power you buy (taxed for everybody)
2 Power you produce and use (not taxed)
3 Power you produce and sell (not taxed on private installations below 20 kWh)
The one I specifically asked about was situation number 2, and you only answered 1 and 3.
Power companies originally had to pay you for adding excess power to the grid in the U.S., but states keep passing laws that say they don’t have to. I guess it could be worse.
Short version sort of the same. The surplus they had to pay you an amount but now you pay for wat you deliver them and they cannsell that to others so they make 2x the money, from me who supplies it and the person that uses it.
Yeah and those 28% they “pay” they probably get back from the irs with some creative number swapping… fuck off they dont pay shit. Meanwhile i have to pay for my electricity twice, one to use it and second time because i also produce it because i have solar panels and dont use it al straight away. fuck off please.
The Dutch equivalent to the IRS, but yes, probably… And that’s for a “progressive” country like the Netherlands. For other places this income and tax disparity is potentially* even higher.
I could have said de belastingdienst. But then ppl might think i had a slight stroke :)
Oh and for the progressive? That went out the window a few years ago. We are actually heading in the opposite direction. At least when it comes to drugs, lgbtq and stuff
Fair enough haha, saw someone already struggle with Wageningen B-Series propellers recently. Belastingdienst is a magnitude worse to read/pronounce…
I also meant relatively progressive, as you’ll agree it’s still better than many other places we consider 1st world.
Well to be fair the g’s in there are quit hard for someone not dutch. Should try Scheveningen that one is always fun. Or ‘s-Hertogenbosch
For the long den bosh, you just skip the 's, right?
Well you say the s and h together sh its old spelling no one uses it anymore really
Ha that sounds like “burdening” in Danish. Funny your IRS is called that.
Here it’s called SKAT which is the same word we use for “darling”, also a bit ironic IMO.
Skat? Haha, that has a different meaning in english
I’m guessing you mean a word that is pronounced the same, but with a c instead of k?
That’s actually kind of fitting. lol
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Ah it can also be a type of singing? Let’s go with that.
Indeed. See Scatman john. The song is about type speaking. But i originally was not thinking of that tbh haha
Well that seems about right “belasting” if translated literally is sort of like putting pressure on things. So a burden :)
Oh yeah, here in the States they pay the “what are taxes?” rate
Selling surplus production from solar panels have been pretty worthless the past month here too. But that doesn’t change that the production I use myself, is very profitable because the transport and taxes are very expensive and those are saved too. The electricity itself is dirt cheap currently, actually most days around zero during daytime. I bet it’s similar your place. (I’m in Denmark)
I don’t quite understand why you feel cheated, when in fact you are also doing some tax evasion of sorts having solar panels, as you don’t have to pay taxes on the electricity you have produced yourself. Are you really whining you can’t get above market price for the electricity you sell?
Edit:
OK since I’m downvoted I may be wrong, are you saying you have to pay taxes on the power you use you produced yourself? I find that hard to believe.
Well i (didnt downvote btw) yes we pay tax on both. That is when we use power when there is no sun i have to buy it from the power company with jot just 1 but several taxes. The power i produce (i have many solarpanels and cannot use all of it when its produced) i send that back which costs money and yes also taxed. I could break down the tax system for “normal” ppl but i would just give you nightmares. I also have seen a construction a friend (accountant) of mine uses for a rich client, but thise things are so fucking complicated i just trust him when he says they pay almost nothing (1 or 2%)
You forgot to mention the thing I asked, do you pay tax on the power you produce that you use yourself? Obviously you should pay the same taxes as everybody else on power you buy, here the power we sell isn’t taxed on private installations less than 20kWh I think is the limit. Above that, it’s taxed as income. Still I bet you don’t pay taxes on the power you make and use yourself.
There are 3 scenarios, and here the system is:
1 Power you buy (taxed for everybody)
2 Power you produce and use (not taxed)
3 Power you produce and sell (not taxed on private installations below 20 kWh)
The one I specifically asked about was situation number 2, and you only answered 1 and 3.
Power companies originally had to pay you for adding excess power to the grid in the U.S., but states keep passing laws that say they don’t have to. I guess it could be worse.
See Texas…
Here in Indiana too.
Short version sort of the same. The surplus they had to pay you an amount but now you pay for wat you deliver them and they cannsell that to others so they make 2x the money, from me who supplies it and the person that uses it.