• @NeptuneOrbit
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    2097 months ago

    Some undecideds, sure. It only takes ten thousand voters in a couple swing states to change the outcome.

    • @TropicalDingdong
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      557 months ago

      I mean, that could have been the difference in the 2016 election.

      • @[email protected]
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        707 months ago

        Remember when Clinton lost the election because the FBI didn’t find anything on her assistant’s laptop?

        • @TropicalDingdong
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          737 months ago

          I mean she could have spent a weekend in Michigan. That was an unforced error.

          She could have addressed her relationship with Goldman Sachs, and all the other banks that fucked over the entirety of the American people during the housing crisis that she earned millions upon millions giving “speeches” to.

          She could have made an olive branch to the progressive caucus.

          She could have not said “Sit down and shut up” to BLM activists.

          There are a lot of things she could have done.

          • @[email protected]
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            337 months ago

            Or, like, hear me out, the Democrats could have not nominated her and nominated someone who isn’t strongly disliked by both sides.

              • Semi-Hemi-Lemmygod
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                27 months ago

                To be fair, we elected a Bush twice, and if Sirhan Sirhan hadn’t shot Bobby we’d have had two Kennedies to go along with the Roosevelts and Adamses

          • @Skullgrid
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            207 months ago

            She could also not have stolen the fucking nomination from Sanders

            • @assassin_aragorn
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              187 months ago

              I think she would’ve won regardless of everything else, but it would’ve been closer. Really the mistake from the primaries is that she didn’t really try to incorporate any of Bernie’s ideas into her platform, or even work with him at all. She treated him as an opponent and obstacle, not as a rival and peer.

              This is where Biden was successful however – he didn’t dismiss Bernie nor his platform ideas. He did incorporate some into presidency, most obviously the climate change policies and student debt forgiveness where possible.

              And where I sincerely believe this difference came down to – Biden was friendly to Bernie in the Senate and made an effort to be friendly colleagues, if not work friends. Clinton didn’t. It shows the power of cooperation allying together with progressives, instead of allying together with “moderate” Republicans.

            • @TropicalDingdong
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              47 months ago

              Its fine though. The Supreme Court said they can rig their own primaries. /s

          • @[email protected]
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            37 months ago

            That’s all true, but she still would have won without the dramatic search of Huma Abadeen’s laptop.

            • @afraid_of_zombies
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              37 months ago

              You know I completely forgot about that laptop thing. I remember the emails but that is about it.

            • @TropicalDingdong
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              17 months ago

              I dont think that moved anyone. Like I really dont. The laptop thing was only interesting to Trump die-hards.

              • @[email protected]
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                Maybe, but it happened right before the election. I observed noticeable shift in attitude. That’s not good evidence, I know, but Clinton’s polls which had been steady, took a 3% dip at the time and stayed down through election day.

                People talked about the polls being off compared to the election, but the election matched the post-Comey polls pretty well. It’s only the polls that mixed pre-Comey data that were too high for Clinton.

                • @TropicalDingdong
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                  07 months ago

                  If you are interested in doing a more detailed analysis of this, I can supply you with some boiler plate code. 538 has pretty detailed polling data that’s free to download. I’m going to be getting into it later in June for my monthly polling update.

                  I was considering calculating Trumps polling error differential from 2016 and seeing how it changed to 2020. I did a map of his differential polling error for 2020 for my update two weeks ago.

                  I’m also considering of taking the differential polling result for just swing states, applying it to current polling, and mapping out a series of ‘pathways’ to 270 for each candidate, highlighting where the pressure points are.

                  I think a trying to model the impact of a single news story could be pretty interesting.

          • @assassin_aragorn
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            27 months ago

            There were a lot of factors at play in 2016, and the margin was tiny. She had a lot of factors under her control that could’ve led to victory.

        • @barsquid
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          47 months ago

          Voters decided against her for mishandling classified documents, right? So these same voters, who think things through with consistency and integrity, will decide against someone who stole boxes of documents and got CIA agents killed selling state secrets to Russia, right?

        • @samus12345
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          07 months ago

          Trying to run for president while having two X chromosomes was a massive error on her part as well.