• @Olgratin_Magmatoe
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    17 months ago

    You can choose to fly because airplanes exist

    That’s not what I meant, and you know it.

    Also nuclear weapons exist and people can choose to drop them on cities and many thousands of people will die.

    Other people have that choice. I do not.

    It feels like you’re desperately trying to miss the point

    Given that you seemingly intentionally missed the point about the things that I cannot choose to do, I’d say this is projection.

    to avoid having thoughts that conflict with your current belief (or non-belief if that’s how you choose to term it)

    This conversation has nothing to do with the existence of god(s), it instead has to do with the existence of tri-omni god(s).

    Matter can’t be created or destroyed and energy cannot be created or destroyed.

    This is a false equivalence. If I burn down a building, it’s been destroyed even if the matter of the building still exists.

    Do you consider this to be a religious belief simply because conflicts with your argument?

    Are you here to have a serious conversation, or just waste time?

    How much suffering was caused by the religious oppression done by atheists like Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot?

    This has no relevance. You completely missed the point of everything I’ve said, I hope not intentionally. Because this line of thinking isn’t coherent.

    • @[email protected]
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      17 months ago

      Nope I honestly don’t know what your point is. You gravitate towards absolutes more than most religious extremists do. Like if you’re not an omnipotent being with every power you can imagine then you have no choices? But then you also think that the fact that world is some primitive video game where there’s only very simple A) B) C) style options it would be a paradise and you’re angry at God because the world doesn’t work like that. Personally I find it frustrating when a video game limits my options to that degree and the option I want simply isn’t there. Doesn’t feel like I really have a choice if I’m only allowed to do the things they were considered to be valid options by someone else.

      Yeah having choices makes for problems, but those are our problems to deal with.

      This is a false equivalence. If I burn down a building, it’s been destroyed even if the matter of the building still exists.

      And the atoms from that burnt building will go elsewhere and allow for the creation of new life. Nobody ever teach you about the circle of life, Simba?

      Because this line of thinking isn’t coherent.

      I think we’re basically done here. You’re just rejecting facts that conflict with your inflexible world view now. Atheists have killed a great many people in history, that’s a fact. You reject that fact because you want to believe that religion is the source of everything bad in the world. Can’t face the reality that a lot of evil has been done without religion being a factor, and a lot of evil has been done by people that think of religion similarly to how you think of it. It’s almost as if intolerance is the problem and it’s the same problem if it’s coming from a religious person as it is when it comes from an atheist. Being intolerant towards all other beliefs than your own doesn’t make you better than others, even when if you do everything you can to deny that you have beliefs.

      • @Olgratin_Magmatoe
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        17 months ago

        Like if you’re not an omnipotent being with every power you can imagine then you have no choices?

        That is not even close to what I was saying.

        But then you also think that the fact that world is some primitive video game where there’s only very simple A) B) C) style options it would be a paradise

        This is an oversimplification of a very easy to understand thought experiment.

        and you’re angry at God because the world doesn’t work like that.

        I’m not angry at god, I don’t believe gods exist. Are you angry at Thanos?

        And the atoms from that burnt building will go elsewhere and allow for the creation of new life. Nobody ever teach you about the circle of life, Simba?

        Thanks for this waste of time.

        Atheists have killed a great many people in history, that’s a fact.

        A fact that has nothing to do with any of this.