• NatanaelOP
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    6 months ago

    Did you read about the Trump peace deal (organized via his kids!), which would require only Palestinians to make concessions, giving up land, giving up freedoms, being subject Israel’s security forces, giving them no rights, and which gave all power to Israel (and which obviously fell through)?

    Biden applies political pressure on Netanyahu to push for ceasefire:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/06/02/israel-hamas-war-news-gaza-palestine-ceasefire-biden/

    Trump plans to pressure Palestinians:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

    The plan proposed a series of Palestinian enclaves surrounded by an enlarged Israel,

    Netanyahu announced that the Israeli government would immediately annex the Jordan Valley and West Bank settlements while committing not to create new settlements in areas left to the Palestinians for at least four years. U.S. Ambassador to Israel David M. Friedman claimed that the Trump administration had given permission for an immediate annexation, stating that “Israel does not have to wait at all”

    The plan itself places no conditions on Israel with regard to proposals to “annex parts of the West Bank”.[8]

    The plan puts the Palestinians on probation, establishing a set of conditions they must meet and adopting Netanyahu’s view that a shrunken Palestinian entity will be a state in name only; Israel will control of its borders, air space, electro-magnetic spectrum, foreign policy and security

    • @anticolonialist
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      -56 months ago

      Biden has helped clear away 115 sq miles of Gaza land for Trumps kids. Its fucking insane how groups if people will overlook whats actually happening and be terrified of what might happen,

      • NatanaelOP
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        46 months ago

        Have you seen Trump’s history of actions? It’s not what “might” happen, it’s a certainty he’ll make it worse

        • @anticolonialist
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          -56 months ago

          Yes, and I’ve also seen Biden’s history of actions, evidence that neither one of them represents the working class.

    • @givesomefucks
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      -126 months ago

      Yes…

      It’s bad when trump supports a genocidal regime…

      It’s bad when Biden supports a genocidal regime…

      Now, here’s the big one. Get up and stretch, take a nice long deep breathe.

      Ready?

      It’s bad when literally fucking anyone supports a genocidal regime.

      Here’s another big one:

      If you excuse Dems for doing something because trump does it too, then if you don’t slow down and look around, you’re going to be supporting someone just like trump, because republicans found some asshole even worse.

      Republicans won’t magically get better

      • NatanaelOP
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        6 months ago

        I don’t excuse the dems, but you refuse to accept that Trump is 10 000x worse

        Netanyahu would not be angry at Biden for his demands if Biden was fine with everything they do.

        Netanyahu would not prefer to have Trump back if the two were equal.

        • @givesomefucks
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          -136 months ago

          but you refuse to accept that Trump is 10 000x worse

          No I don’t, because he obviously is.

          It’s just neither of them are good enough to be president.

          Like,you know there’s not really a valid reason to run unpopular neoliberals just because trump is in office right?

          We could just runnwhat Dems historically do very very well with:

          A young charismatic person running a progressive campaign.

          There is literally no reason to be running someone the majority of registered Dem voters don’t want to be president, just because they don’t want the Republican.

          How does that system make any logical sense?

          How will shit ever improve?

          • NatanaelOP
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            6 months ago

            Ok, then tell me who that candidate is who can win instead of Biden.

            I’m waiting.

            I am not super fond of Biden, and wouldn’t mind seeing him replaced. But my top priority is harm reduction, and switching to a candidate who can’t beat Trump would send USA into turmoil

            • @givesomefucks
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              -86 months ago

              Elizabeth Warren for one

              Pretry much any Dem from the house or Senate too.

              • @assassin_aragorn
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                16 months ago

                Something tells me that if Warren was the option you’d still have a litany of complaints about why you weren’t going to vote for her

            • @anticolonialist
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              -86 months ago

              If your top priority was harem reduction you wouldnt be supporting the one causing the most harm right now. And not just Palestinians, us included

              • NatanaelOP
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                66 months ago

                Are you saying Biden personally is causing the most harm, and that Trump wouldn’t cause more? Or do you think it’s irrelevant that acting as you suggest would make things worse?

                I don’t disagree he’s handled it bad, but your options are between pressuring him to do better or Trump wrecking everything he gets his hands on

                • @anticolonialist
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                  -76 months ago

                  If you haven’t realized it, there is no ‘pressuring Biden’ I’m not saying that Trump would cause more harm or Biden is causing more harm. Harm is harm. People are dying. People are being starved. It doesn’t matter who is doing it, right now the greater evil is Biden. He is the one actively engaging in killing and starvation of people. If people would move beyond the bullshit concept of lesser evil and simply accept no evil, then we might be able to progress as a country.

                  If you haven’t noticed both of them work in tandem to benefit the wealthy against the needs of the working class

                  • NatanaelOP
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                    26 months ago

                    Which world do you live in

                    Sounds like BS bothsidesisms