Dear Admins and Users of lemmy.world,

I am writing to express my concerns about the impact of lemmy.ml on our community. It has come to my attention that lemmy.ml frequently disseminates propaganda and engages in historical revisionism. Moreover, there have been instances where their admin privileges were used to suppress dissenting views, reminiscent of the already defederated lemmygrad instance.

While personal blocking of lemmy.ml is an option, it does not address the broader issue of new users potentially being influenced by misleading content. It is crucial that we protect our users from a continuous stream of biased information.

To illustrate these concerns, I have provided a link to a detailed post on the Fediverse that documents these issues comprehensively [Here].

Given these points, I urge the admins to consider a defederation from lemmy.ml. If their users wish to remain part of Lemmy.ml, that is entirely acceptable, but we should take steps to prevent the propagation of harmful misinformation, especially in their comment sections.

Thank you for your consideration.

  • AliceEnglish
    -7•6 months ago

    Ok so I’m no one here and not on the .world team.

    So don’t take what I’m saying personally or anything bc I’m not meaning it in any kind of angry or combative way. Not trying to argue with you or anyone.

    I’m not of the same beliefs that .ml or the developers are. So I guess you can say you and I agree that yea their messed up I get it.

    But that’s the issue with the whole fediverse thing. Even though I do agree with you about .ml

    People are allowed to do whatever they want and believe whatever they want. That’s not up to you. Don’t Take that as an attack, I’m not meaning it as one.

    Think of it this way:

    It’s like .ml making this post but about your personal beliefs (they probably already do)

    OR

    let’s pretend lemmy was heavily conservative instead of liberal making this exact post. You’d think wtf ?

    You get what I’m saying ?

    But that’s not up to them to get what I’m trying to say ? Yea it’s fucked up but ppl are allowed to believe whatever they want. Even if what they believe is shitty. The thing is, one person doesn’t and shouldn’t get to make that call for everyone else.

    No one person knows what’s best for everyone

    • @Eheran
      8•6 months ago

      I could agree with you if they would not specifically suppress anyone not agreeing with them. That is the big issue, meaning that anyone there only sees that one side of everyone agreeing with their nonsense, with no chance to get out.

      And we absolutely know that making shit up is not good for people and where that can lead to. It does not need to be "best’, just not the absolute worst.

      • AliceEnglish
        -5•6 months ago

        Unfortunately though… that is lemmy though dude. That’s what I’m trying to say.

        It’s by design. That’s how and why the fediverse is the way it is. It’s stupid yes I don’t agree with it either. But that is the truth.

        Echo chambers. That’s how they want it.

    • DefederateLemmyMl
      4•6 months ago

      let’s pretend lemmy was heavily conservative instead of liberal making this exact post.

      I think you misunderstand the issue, so as you mentioned conservative, let’s illustrate it with an analogy.

      The situation with lemmy.ml right now, and apologies for the reddit analogy, is the equivalent if on reddit the batshit crazy mods of formerly /r/the_donald or /r/conservative could ban you from /r/linux because you said something bad about Trump on /r/memes. At that point it’s not about dissenting opinions, it’s about them wielding power they shouldn’t have over those dissenting people.

      An instance that operates like that shouldn’t be part of mainstream lemmy and host general purpose communities. The only way to take that power from them is to shun them, i.e. defederate.

      • @AchtungDrempels
        1•6 months ago

        I wonder what your “call out” looked like that then actually got you temp banned from all those communities, have you laid that open anywhere too?

        • DefederateLemmyMl
          2•6 months ago

          I told them something like: “The modlog of this community is ridiculous” and posted the same screenshot of the modlog that I posted on my thread on [email protected]. Forgive me if I’m paraphrasing, because my exact comment is gone.

    • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
      3•6 months ago

      No one person knows what’s best for everyone

      But we do know what isn’t best for everyone, and that’s lies and disinformation.

      • AliceEnglish
        -5•6 months ago

        Thank God you’re not in charge of anything important in real life lol

        • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
          4•6 months ago

          so… you think lies and disinformation is good? what the hell is wrong with you?

          • AliceEnglish
            -5•6 months ago

            So…you think youre in charge of what everyone gets to believe 🤔

            Get the fuck outta here 🤣

              • AliceEnglish
                -4•6 months ago

                Someone who believes they should control what others believe and think by managing social media typically exhibits *authoritarian or controlling tendencies, and have developmental issues such as a lack of empathy, an overdeveloped sense of superiority, authoritarian personality traits, insecurity and control issues, poor socialization, low emotional intelligence, cognitive rigidity, and moral absolutism

                That ends up leading to a problematic worldview where they feel justified in imposing their beliefs on others undermining individual autonomy and stifling diversity of thought.

                That type of developmental background results in poor interpersonal relationships and ultimately harming societal harmony and personal freedoms.

                Might wanna seek mental assistance