• @DaddleDew
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    It is keyholing. It happens when as you can see the bullet loses stability and tumbles in the air before hitting the paper sideways. It can be caused by many things. Insufficient rifling twist for the length of the bullet being used is one of them. The bullet hitting the ground or something else before hitting the target is another possibility.

    Either way, it isn’t a desirable thing and indicates that something is wrong. The fact that the PLA members are proudly posting pictures of a bunch of keyholes randomly splattered all over a target like that suggests that they think this is normal and that therefore they don’t know what they’re doing.

    The term “keyholing” is also sometimes erroneously used to refer to when two bullet holes are touching on paper.

    • sp3ctr4l
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      6 months ago

      Could keyholing of … seemingly this magnitude… be the result of basically laughably bad tolerances in internal barrel width, or perhaps the barrels are made of some kind of alloy that expands significantly from heat?

      I have only ever seen keyholing in western gun videos from basically burn downs… but even then after a barrel is nearing its end of life by manufacturer specs, its more common to get some kind of failure to feed, significantly decreased precision and only occasional keyholes.

      Maybe another possibility is similarly poor quality alloy of some kind used in the cartridge itself?

      Combination of all of these things?

      I remember seeing a fairly recent video of some kind of PLA MOUT type urban course… and you could see massive keyholing on targets that were like 5 to 10 meters away.

      The prevalence of it baffles me. Ive personally dealt with and seen misfires and jams of various kinds at ranges, but I’ve never even seen a keyhole occur in real life.

    • @[email protected]M
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      56 months ago

      i don’t know enough about chinese rifles to speak authoritatively one way or the other, but there was a claim that it’s a target from QCB training where they used rubber bullets that tumble no matter what you do

    • @igg
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      46 months ago

      I think 5.45x39mm round they use tumbles a lot which causes this keyholing

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        The standard “ball” bullet used by the Russian military, at least, in the 5.45x39mm is designed to easily tumble once it is inside the target. It is more of an effect of the bullet’s construction and fine tuning of the rifling twist rate than the caliber itself. But it is still supposed to remain stable with the nose pointed forward when traveling to the target. Otherwise it becomes extremely inaccurate and loses its velocity very rapidly, which causes it to fall short.

      • sp3ctr4l
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        86 months ago

        The QBZ family of rifles, both the older bullpup Type 95 and its variants, and the newer Type 191, fire a 5.8 x 42mm round, not the AK 74 ‘poison bullet’.

        While I am sure the PLA has tons of 47s, and 74s still in active use, their efforts to modernize have included introduction of and seemingly wide issuance of the QBZ 95 family since roughly the early 2000s, and more recently the Type 191.

        Usually when they do publicity videos or images, they like to show off the QBZ family.

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          56 months ago

          If I learned anything of authoritarian countries claiming to be communist, they would never manufacture a whole new line of weapons without extensive testing, and if it turned out to be shit, they would totally have the self-reflection not to keep issuing it but to fix it and retry with a new variant. Totally.