• ThrowawayOnLemmy
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    Wouldn’t this mean a president has an obligation to kill his political opponents if they’re seen as a threat to the United States, and as an official act, it would be completely legal? Effectively making one man above the law.

    Even if it’s not seen as an official act, you can’t charge the president while they’re in the office, and with that power and a loyal justice department, you could eliminate anyone who might try to argue the legality of your actions.

    Good luck convincing anyone to bring a case against the guy who keeps making people disappear when they investigate him.

    This + project 2025 & a trump presidency is the end of US democracy. I don’t even wanna start thinking about the impacts globally…

    • @Dragomus
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      755 months ago

      Trump could now argue he, as sitting president, was threatened in his functioning by the new president elect, and it was an official act to block the transfer of power as long as the sitting president has concerns about the validity of the votes. (Ofcourse he always has those concerns)

      And now with the coming elections he will claim the same and as a bonus he officially and in the open has the republicans refuse to certify a losing vote because that also threatens his position and impedes his functioning.

      If the lower courts now claim his acts were not official he will just appeal that back to the Supreme Court, thereby still delaying any closure of the case well after the elections.

    • @DarkCloud
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      355 months ago

      Biden should just pass an official law that SCOTUS must be evenly split between major parties.

      This couldn’t be illegal to do anymore, as Biden will be immune, as it’ll be an official act.

        • @farcaster
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          545 months ago

          Are you saying it might be a crime for a President to unilaterally invent a new law and make the federal government enforce it? Well, you see…

          • @[email protected]
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            55 months ago

            No just unconstitutional which is what the scotus exists to make judgments about. They just take it upon themselves to judge everything else too…

        • @xenomor
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          455 months ago

          You are confusing the United States that existed until this decision with the United States that exists after this decision. As long as it’s an official act, the president can now do whatever it wants. If the supremes court objects, the president and threaten or assassinate the justices as long as it’s an official act. The President is now effectively a king. Read Sotomayor’s dissent in this decision. She explicitly states this.

          • @jordanlundM
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            That’s the thing, for the executive branch, passing laws is not an official act. It’s outside that branch of government. That’s what the Legislative branch does.

            It would be like Biden overturning a court ruling. That’s the Judicial branch, not your dance.

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              I get it. This is how government functions according to the constitution. Please understand however, under this new interpretation there is no effective legal check on the executive doing anything at all. Yes, it’s not official for the president to do that, but there is no enforcement mechanism, and the president now has authority to coerce anyone or any institution. I know it is difficult to grasp the implications of that, but that is in fact what the Supreme Court did today.

              • @DarkCloud
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                75 months ago

                That’s the plan right, that’s part of Project 2025, to instantiate Unitary Executive Theory to make everything they do legal regardless of courts and impeachment trials.

            • @CharlesDarwin
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              95 months ago

              The Constitution as we knew it is null and void.

            • @DarkCloud
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              35 months ago

              So in your opinion, did they just reaffirm something like the presumption of innocence but it’s tailored for someone who’s job it is to sometimes order the deaths of people? So he has “The presumption of immunity” when making otherwise illegal orders, until it’s otherwise determined by a court case, or impeachment hearing? Is that what’s going on?

              • @jordanlundM
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                35 months ago

                It protects any official action.

                So, for example, the notorious drone strikes that Obama ordered which killed a bunch of innocent people.

                As commander in chief, that’s an official act, he would have immunity.

                Bush and Abu Ghraib torture? Same.

                • @[email protected]
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                  65 months ago

                  Bear in mind that the drone strikes are less attributed to Trump because he revoked or ignored accountability rules and authorized the CIA and defense department to conduct drone strikes without seeking authorization from the White House.

                  It’s easy to assume that Trump was ‘better’, but nope. He was much, much worse. He just hid the evidence and delegated the crime to others.

                  Under Donald Trump, drone strikes far exceed Obama’s numbers – Chicago Sun-Times

                  • @jordanlundM
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                    35 months ago

                    Oh, I never meant to bring Trump into it, just that Obama continued Bush’s drone program and in a perfect world it would have all been illegal… but not if the President does it. ;)

        • stinerman [Ohio]
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          255 months ago

          No, he can just order members of Congress to be executed until they pass the law he wants.

          • @[email protected]
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            I would rather he just pack the bench to 50 seats, one for each state, fast track nominations, and force congress to stay in session until a full court is appointed by putting hoteling them in the vicinity and only allowing them movement between hotels and congressional chambers. This would be in his power and immune as official acts after all.

        • @grue
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          205 months ago

          That’s not how it worked. Past tense!

        • @[email protected]
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          75 months ago

          We all know it’s not how it works, but that’s precisely what Trump et al will try to do. This is just malicious compliance.