Every one of you guys is turning into crazed lunatics. This has been a long and stressful election season, and you’re now calling for not only Biden to institute facism, but also to arrest citizens who haven’t been convicted of any crime, to be taken to a fake predetermined trial off the books.
The US and probably the entire world would improve for everyone in a very short time frame if American billionaires were rounded up and arrested. These people are criminals. They have captured the republic and turned it into their casino, where the taxpayer subsidizes their losses. They are making the planet unlivable.
If you think the status quo is okay, you are not paying attention.
I’m not saying what they’re doing is morally ok. I’m saying they aren’t criminals. For that word implys that what they have done
Was illegal
And
They’ve been convicted of a crime.
Donald Trump is a 34X criminal. Thats factually accurate.
Jeff Bezos is not. Because he hasn’t been convicted of anything.
You can’t just use words against people you don’t like and expect it to mean anything.
A better use of your vernacular would be:
"Billionaires are unempathetic, labor exploiting, psychopaths who are by far the leading cause of climate change, but will never personally feel the effects of their actions.
THAT would all be factually true. But also legal. So, again, they aren’t criminals. They’ve rigged the system so they aren’t breaking any laws by doing terrible things. That’s by design.
What’s your take on a billionaire, who, following all applicable laws, has donated to politicians, people, and political action committees or fund lawsuits that result in things that harm the U.S., such as harming its income through irresponsible taxation policies, trade policies that harm the domestic economy, spread socially divisive messaging that may also be anti-government or slow down/inhibit participation in the political system, or use their power to judicially change laws or initiate legislative pushes for laws resulting in laws that are discriminatory/harmful/against the ideals of the constitution (while not necessarily being against the letter of it) and overall harm the U.S. society in favor of their worldview/desired hegemony?
Are these people criminals if they’ve followed the letter of the law?
Are they enemies of the state they have sought to undermine/remake in their own image?
Would being an enemy of the state warrant criminal treatment?
I don’t believe people have lost their minds here. I think they’re taking this latest ruling, designed to subvert the rule of law to protect one person, to the logical conclusion that ‘the other side’ will take it to when given the ability to exploit it.
Our country is broken, and has been long before any of us were born. However in the past 8 years it’s become more divided than it ever has been at any point since the civil war.
When our forefathers designed this country, they did so with the spirit that the people would run the country. They wanted all ideas to be heard, shared,voted on, and adopted or not adopted as decided by the citizens. However in the centuries that followed various interest groups have exploited loopholes to expand their influence and slowly take over the country.
We’re now at a point where most Americans have no central viewpoint, because it’s being influenced by so many differing controlling parties.
The only way for the people to take back this country is to patch those exploits, push back against outside influence, and end donations within politics.
But until that happens, our country is working as it was designed. Maybe not in spirit, but in practice.
if there’s 100 billionaires (don’t know the actual number) you don’t think there’s 10,000 millionaires right behind them that can’t wait to become billionaires themselves that will step into that power vacuum?
I mean Republicans vote the way they do, even the most poorest, most powerless among them, since they all belive they’re temporarily embarrassed millionaires so when they become rich they won’t have to pay taxes either.
it’s criminals all the way down. 4 legs good, 2 legs better
Killing billionaires is not fascism and anyway being a billionaire necessitates serious immoral actions. You cannot be a billionaire and a good person.
Besides, the DOJ would never do that, it is literally built by billionaires to protect their interests.
Yeah they are doing a hyperbole but it would be 100% legal and moral to make laws to restrict wealth and then once the law is there, seize billionaire wealth and leave them with 100 million dollars or something (so not even dragging them down to our level).
Responses like yours forget that people are frustrated and have already said the reasonable versions thousands of times.
Im really gutted how many people are arguing with you.
My best follow up is the hard-core Christians who fight abortion, sex before manage, women & lgbt rights think allowing these is immoral. Should we now all hand ourselves over because one group thinks we’re immoral and should be arrested?
Every one of you guys is turning into crazed lunatics. This has been a long and stressful election season, and you’re now calling for not only Biden to institute facism, but also to arrest citizens who haven’t been convicted of any crime, to be taken to a fake predetermined trial off the books.
Man, I can’t wait until election season is over.
checks calander
ITS ONLY JULY???
The US and probably the entire world would improve for everyone in a very short time frame if American billionaires were rounded up and arrested. These people are criminals. They have captured the republic and turned it into their casino, where the taxpayer subsidizes their losses. They are making the planet unlivable.
If you think the status quo is okay, you are not paying attention.
I’m not saying what they’re doing is morally ok. I’m saying they aren’t criminals. For that word implys that what they have done
And
Donald Trump is a 34X criminal. Thats factually accurate.
Jeff Bezos is not. Because he hasn’t been convicted of anything.
You can’t just use words against people you don’t like and expect it to mean anything.
A better use of your vernacular would be:
THAT would all be factually true. But also legal. So, again, they aren’t criminals. They’ve rigged the system so they aren’t breaking any laws by doing terrible things. That’s by design.
You don’t have to be convicted or even suspected of a crime to be a criminal.
I’m with bookmeat. Anyone who has committed a crime is a criminal. It does not require being caught or convicted.
Wow, a rare sane political comment on Lemmy! Thanks!
What’s your take on a billionaire, who, following all applicable laws, has donated to politicians, people, and political action committees or fund lawsuits that result in things that harm the U.S., such as harming its income through irresponsible taxation policies, trade policies that harm the domestic economy, spread socially divisive messaging that may also be anti-government or slow down/inhibit participation in the political system, or use their power to judicially change laws or initiate legislative pushes for laws resulting in laws that are discriminatory/harmful/against the ideals of the constitution (while not necessarily being against the letter of it) and overall harm the U.S. society in favor of their worldview/desired hegemony?
Are these people criminals if they’ve followed the letter of the law?
Are they enemies of the state they have sought to undermine/remake in their own image?
Would being an enemy of the state warrant criminal treatment?
I don’t believe people have lost their minds here. I think they’re taking this latest ruling, designed to subvert the rule of law to protect one person, to the logical conclusion that ‘the other side’ will take it to when given the ability to exploit it.
Our country is broken, and has been long before any of us were born. However in the past 8 years it’s become more divided than it ever has been at any point since the civil war.
When our forefathers designed this country, they did so with the spirit that the people would run the country. They wanted all ideas to be heard, shared,voted on, and adopted or not adopted as decided by the citizens. However in the centuries that followed various interest groups have exploited loopholes to expand their influence and slowly take over the country.
We’re now at a point where most Americans have no central viewpoint, because it’s being influenced by so many differing controlling parties.
The only way for the people to take back this country is to patch those exploits, push back against outside influence, and end donations within politics.
But until that happens, our country is working as it was designed. Maybe not in spirit, but in practice.
if there’s 100 billionaires (don’t know the actual number) you don’t think there’s 10,000 millionaires right behind them that can’t wait to become billionaires themselves that will step into that power vacuum?
I mean Republicans vote the way they do, even the most poorest, most powerless among them, since they all belive they’re temporarily embarrassed millionaires so when they become rich they won’t have to pay taxes either.
it’s criminals all the way down. 4 legs good, 2 legs better
It’s funny, the fascists on the other side are asking for something very similar with very similar wording
Killing billionaires is not fascism and anyway being a billionaire necessitates serious immoral actions. You cannot be a billionaire and a good person.
Besides, the DOJ would never do that, it is literally built by billionaires to protect their interests.
Yeah, but its not illegal. That’s the point - if you want laws to mean something then follow the laws, not what you think is ok or don’t like.
What crazed lunatics?
Yeah they are doing a hyperbole but it would be 100% legal and moral to make laws to restrict wealth and then once the law is there, seize billionaire wealth and leave them with 100 million dollars or something (so not even dragging them down to our level).
Responses like yours forget that people are frustrated and have already said the reasonable versions thousands of times.
Listen to this guy, folks. According to his username, he speaks from experience!
Im really gutted how many people are arguing with you.
My best follow up is the hard-core Christians who fight abortion, sex before manage, women & lgbt rights think allowing these is immoral. Should we now all hand ourselves over because one group thinks we’re immoral and should be arrested?